usmcgunny0369
Bearcat
Anybody hear any rumors if Ruger will be introducing or working on a 45 variant like the SR9? Would seem logical and inevitable with the present craze for high capacity, striker fired .45ACP's.
A SR9 Type 45???
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usmcgunny0369
Bearcat
Yeah but they seem to be on the ball now that Bill Ruger is gone.
usmcgunny0369":2fpi0rb6 said:
WOW !! I couldn't disagree more with the above statement. I think you're the first person here who's said that .... what is the basis for your thinking that ? Not arguing ... just asking.
Maybe you were being sarcastic ??
REV
Yosemite Sam
Hunter
Maybe "on the ball" means "wantonly throwing new models at the market" in his case, as opposed to "making sure quality is job #1". :)
-- Sam
-- Sam
snakespit":2pji509j said:
Yeah ... if that's what he meant ... dumping a bunch of essentally untested models on the market and reducing costs by eliminating the QC department .... then they're really on the ball !! Personally, I kind of miss the days when you could buy a Ruger sight unseen and be sure you'd be getting a tested, and quality put-together product.
Regarding the 45 question ... supposedly Ruger is working on a 1911.
REV
waynejitsu
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snakespit":1eh8w4j6 said:
Like American cars, LOL!!!
Not counting Toyota..., see what happens when you start making them in America..., quality goes down, LOL!!!
revhigh":3ophvemy said:
I guess I will be the second one to agree with it then...
With Bill there, you would have never been able to buy hi cap mini 14 mags (Ruger factory mags).. In fact, in all my years, I had never seen a 30 round mag till recently, You could at times, buy black market 20 rd Ruger mags, but you needed a cop connection. Bill did not think we needed them..With Bill there, you would have never seen the LCP & LCR..With Bill there, you would have never seen the mini 14 tactical rifle, or the SR556 rifle. I asked him at the 1982 SHOT show why Ruger would not build a small frame 38 special, his reply to me was and I quote; "Because I don't think the public needs one". As far as the problems with the SR9, Glock made recalls, although they called them "UPDATES"..Every major company has had teething problems with new models from one time to another...Remember the P85, recalled and updated to the MKII..
No, I don't miss him and I think Ruger is a better company since his death, don't get me wrong, I did not want him to die, just have a little more progressive thinking, and he never did.
I'm sure I'm not going to be popular for my opinion, but it is MY opinion and you are welcome to yours as well...
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I am with REV on this one......
NixieTube
Blackhawk
Since talking to Bill Ruger himself is now impossible (unless you believe in seances) I think it's really not possible to say how he would have viewed the SR9. I do know that there's a lot of lore about him and the firepower/magazine capacity issue.
I like to think he'd have given his approval to the SR9 (which is actually apparently based on a Kimber design). It's an excellent pistol particularly with all of its safety features and *especially* at the price point. I think given the way the firearms market has changed he would have adapted to that and given his blessing to the gun. I'm glad Ruger decided to go ahead and make it, all "teething problems" notwithstanding. Every time I pick mine up or shoot it, I know that it's a high-value gun, and it's packed with good features. Living in Massachusetts, I would be seriously jealous of the rest of the country if Ruger hadn't gone through the steps they did to have it homologated here -- even in its 10-round magazine form, it's something I'm glad to have been able to buy. I say that as someone who was a NEWBIE -- meaning that in terms of purchasing pistols, I could have been very easily turned OFF to Ruger if this had been a disappointment. It didn't happen.
(As most people know, the SR9 is shipped with 2 ten round magazines to dealers in MA as the only thing you can buy.)
I like to think he'd have given his approval to the SR9 (which is actually apparently based on a Kimber design). It's an excellent pistol particularly with all of its safety features and *especially* at the price point. I think given the way the firearms market has changed he would have adapted to that and given his blessing to the gun. I'm glad Ruger decided to go ahead and make it, all "teething problems" notwithstanding. Every time I pick mine up or shoot it, I know that it's a high-value gun, and it's packed with good features. Living in Massachusetts, I would be seriously jealous of the rest of the country if Ruger hadn't gone through the steps they did to have it homologated here -- even in its 10-round magazine form, it's something I'm glad to have been able to buy. I say that as someone who was a NEWBIE -- meaning that in terms of purchasing pistols, I could have been very easily turned OFF to Ruger if this had been a disappointment. It didn't happen.
(As most people know, the SR9 is shipped with 2 ten round magazines to dealers in MA as the only thing you can buy.)
NixieTube
Blackhawk
BTW if anyone is interested in the provenance of the SR9 design -- and I haven't heard anything official from anyone at Ruger -- it looks a whole lot like the Kimber KPD, which is NLA from Kimber almost like it wasn't ever there...it certainly isn't on their website any longer...
NixieTube
Blackhawk
Oh, yeah....
Back to the original subject: if the SR9/c really did start out as the Kimber KPD in .40 caliber (and even if it didn't) I hope Ruger decides to make at least a .40 version, both in the full-sized and compact pistols. The other day here I said I was "Probably (Leaning Yes)" in response to a poll. I'd be "Definitely (Yes)" if they made a .40 caliber version, and it would be at the top of my wish list.
It's interesting to note in this connection that you cannot purchase any Kimber guns here in MA, and I find that tremendously disappointing given their quality. I understand it because as a smaller manufacturer Kimber probably isn't interested in running the murky Massachusetts legal gauntlet to get its pistols certified for sale here. What a shame. Until recently, you couldn't purchase any Kahr Arms guns here either, until Kahr redesigned their PM9 to comply with MA regulations (good for them!!!!):
http://www.kahr.com/KA-3.html#pm9193
That may have had something to do with Ruger's/Kimber's decision to manufacture the SR9 as a Ruger based on a Kimber design -- because Ruger is large and reputable and capable enough to absorb the expense and difficulty associated with getting a state-of-the-art 9mm pistol sold in some of the more draconian states in the country, like the one I live in. Maybe Kimber had a great design but wasn't willing to take the risk of having their pistols certified here and in California and a few other places.
Either way, I'm glad Ruger is selling the gun here and I'd love to see a .40 S&W or .45ACP variant.
Back to the original subject: if the SR9/c really did start out as the Kimber KPD in .40 caliber (and even if it didn't) I hope Ruger decides to make at least a .40 version, both in the full-sized and compact pistols. The other day here I said I was "Probably (Leaning Yes)" in response to a poll. I'd be "Definitely (Yes)" if they made a .40 caliber version, and it would be at the top of my wish list.
It's interesting to note in this connection that you cannot purchase any Kimber guns here in MA, and I find that tremendously disappointing given their quality. I understand it because as a smaller manufacturer Kimber probably isn't interested in running the murky Massachusetts legal gauntlet to get its pistols certified for sale here. What a shame. Until recently, you couldn't purchase any Kahr Arms guns here either, until Kahr redesigned their PM9 to comply with MA regulations (good for them!!!!):
http://www.kahr.com/KA-3.html#pm9193
That may have had something to do with Ruger's/Kimber's decision to manufacture the SR9 as a Ruger based on a Kimber design -- because Ruger is large and reputable and capable enough to absorb the expense and difficulty associated with getting a state-of-the-art 9mm pistol sold in some of the more draconian states in the country, like the one I live in. Maybe Kimber had a great design but wasn't willing to take the risk of having their pistols certified here and in California and a few other places.
Either way, I'm glad Ruger is selling the gun here and I'd love to see a .40 S&W or .45ACP variant.
Yosemite Sam
Hunter
If you really want a .45 SR9, I believe they call it the P345. No, it's not exactly the same, but it's close enough that another polymer framed .45 would be a bit redundant.
Oh, of course unless it was a hi-cap, in which case it would excuse almost anything, apparently.
-- Sam
Oh, of course unless it was a hi-cap, in which case it would excuse almost anything, apparently.
-- Sam
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usmcgunny0369
Bearcat
Gentleman/Ladies, I didn't mean to step on anybodies toes. However, it is my opinion that Bill Ruger in the end became somewhat compliant with the anti-gun legislators in return for them turning a blind eye to his company. He had a good idea in the Min-14 but intead of developing it further into it's potential, he changed it to a Ranch only model and stopped selling anything but 5rd magazines. In addition, the tooling/machinery was allowed to degregate where the tolerences and accuracy steadily dropped-off with each years run. Since his passing, the accuracy level of the new Mini's has been restored to a respectful level again. As for as models being thrown out there and being shoddy, remember his 1st P series attempt (the P85) was a embarassment. It required a improvement in the P-85 mkII. I'm sorry if my opinions offended others but this is my firm opinion.
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Anonymous
From the few videos I've seen online, Bill Ruger seemed to be anti civilian tactical.
