45 acp shot shell in Blackhawk ?
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protoolman
Service-Sixer
Im betting that meant "not for use in .45 Colt" I've loaded 45 CCI capsules into .45 ACP brass and fired them in revolvers so Im thinking that it is just fine.
edlmann
Blackhawk
pdhunter said:
I can't imagine why these couldn't be used in a revolver.
JWhitmore44
Blackhawk
If the acp round is the kind with the crimped over case, instead of using a capsule, maybe the issue is with the pellets getting lodged in the barrel cylinder gap? I can't think of a reason why it wouldn't work. I shoot shot capsules out of my 44 and 45 Vaquero's all the time. I even made my own for the 45 using a round balls and cardboard wads. Haven't had a problem, yet anyway.
mohavesam
Hawkeye
Find someone to hold your beer and go give it a try! 
45Colt_Man
Blackhawk
Well their website specifically says not use them in revolvers do to possible lock up.
I'd say they are afraid of the capsule moving forward under recoil and tying up the cylinder.
They do have a specific model for the .45 Colt.
Dana
I'd say they are afraid of the capsule moving forward under recoil and tying up the cylinder.
They do have a specific model for the .45 Colt.
Dana
Bucks Owin
Hunter
CCI makes a fine .45LC shotshell. I load one first in line when tramping the woods for use on snakes... :wink:
The .45 ACP versions don't have a shot cup, they have a crimped forward end and the shot charge exits & travels differently.
Nothing to contain the shot column as it moves across the B/C gap, or to keep it from contacting cylinder/barrel walls.
The crimped case is also longer than a standard .45 ACP case, which can jam itself in the chamber on opening up when fired.
.45 Colt fine, but I'd listen to the people who make the .45 ACP versions when they say they are not intended for revolvers. The maker has a reason for saying it & knows more about it than you do.
Denis
Nothing to contain the shot column as it moves across the B/C gap, or to keep it from contacting cylinder/barrel walls.
The crimped case is also longer than a standard .45 ACP case, which can jam itself in the chamber on opening up when fired.
.45 Colt fine, but I'd listen to the people who make the .45 ACP versions when they say they are not intended for revolvers. The maker has a reason for saying it & knows more about it than you do.
Denis
Muley Gil
Blackhawk
I tried some in my .45 ACP cylinder and they wouldn't fire. The .45 ACP headspaces on the case mouth and the shotshells don't have a true casemouth. I'm thinking that the extractor in a .45 ACP pistol would help hold the case against the slide.
Also, if the shotshell would fire, case setback would probably tie up the revolver.
Also, if the shotshell would fire, case setback would probably tie up the revolver.
Didn't even want to get into headspacing, but since you brought it up-
The .45 ACP does headspace on the case mouth on a standard case, in the Ruger Blackhawks. That's the Ruger problem.
.45 ACP standard cases USED to headspace on the case mouth in older Smiths, without clips, but haven't reliably for the past 6 or 7 years. Aside from the other issues I mentioned, clips are required in current Smiths for reliable ignition, and that's the Smith problem.
It's just a bad idea all the way round in revolvers, as CCI says.
In an autopistol, the extractor does help with consistent positioning of the cartridge for reliable ignition.
Even in autos, the .45 ACP shotshells from CCI do not always function. Some pistols will cycle them, others are single-shots & won't.
Have to test 'em in your own pistol before counting on them.
Denis
The .45 ACP does headspace on the case mouth on a standard case, in the Ruger Blackhawks. That's the Ruger problem.
.45 ACP standard cases USED to headspace on the case mouth in older Smiths, without clips, but haven't reliably for the past 6 or 7 years. Aside from the other issues I mentioned, clips are required in current Smiths for reliable ignition, and that's the Smith problem.
It's just a bad idea all the way round in revolvers, as CCI says.
In an autopistol, the extractor does help with consistent positioning of the cartridge for reliable ignition.
Even in autos, the .45 ACP shotshells from CCI do not always function. Some pistols will cycle them, others are single-shots & won't.
Have to test 'em in your own pistol before counting on them.
Denis
Bucks Owin
Hunter
pdhunter said:
More shot payload anyway right?
Those CCI's throw a pretty dense pattern at "snake range" you'll be hard pressed to improve on them. I find I only use maybe a half dozen a year, they are a little pricey to "play" with...
I've been down the road of homegrown shotshells in .357 and .44 without using capsules, and it's full of twists and turns, but good excuse for some extended powder burning experimentation....
"Babe, I gotta go test these shotshells I been workin' on"... :wink: :lol:
twobisquit
Single-Sixer
pdhunter said:
Looks like you will have a few days before you will need them. I see the Arctic cold should hit tomorrow night. We had a beautiful day in Casper and I got to burn a little powder this afternoon.
Boge Quinn had a good recipe that JWhitmore44 mentioned using a round ball to top it off. I have not used them on snakes but was impressed with their pattern on cardboard
Well you know how it here in Wyoming when you are inflicked with the cabin fever. Just hopeing to see a little rattler because I know the pdogs
will be along shortly.
I'll look into that recipe . It sounds good. Thanks.
will be along shortly.
I'll look into that recipe . It sounds good. Thanks.
twobisquit
Single-Sixer
I found my link to the article since they came up with recipes for several different calibers. This aught to to get you there Bob.
http://www.gunblast.com/Snake_Stopper.htm
?I have considered using the same recipe but substituting the round ball with a 155g LSWC that I use for .45ACP. Does anyone see a problem doing that? I think the round ball would be approximately the same weight but a little less bearing surface.
http://www.gunblast.com/Snake_Stopper.htm
?I have considered using the same recipe but substituting the round ball with a 155g LSWC that I use for .45ACP. Does anyone see a problem doing that? I think the round ball would be approximately the same weight but a little less bearing surface.
How handy are you reloading? You can easily make .45 Colt shot shells from .444 Marlin brass. Trim cases to cylinder length, try 6.0 gr Unique. Insert a Winchester .410 bore wad; trim to case length. Drop in #7 1/2 or 9 shot (ave. load 178 gr vs. 150 gr in CCI load) and top with something like GE Silicone Seal. I've had no instance where the shot got stuck in the cylinder gap. The load is effective to about 20'; the spin imparted by the rifling makes the load spread pretty quickly. The .410 wad completely protects the bore from leading. The Silicone Seal must be placed on the outside of the wad to glue the wad to the case; the last .25" or so inside the wad plus the shot must also be coated so that it holds everything in place. When allowed to cure for 24-hours, you have a durable, waterproof seal. Handguns 2001 has a complete how-to article.
.45 ACP shotshells are more work. C.E. "Ed" Harris published a how-to article some years ago. RCBS makes the case forming dies.
http://www.icehouse.net/fgrig/gun/Eds45.htm
http://www.icehouse.net/fgrig/gun/shot.htm
Other references are:
http://www.gunsandammo.com/content/45-acp-shotshells
http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=621278
http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/4023872/Re_Need_Instructions_for_RCBS_
http://www.gunweek.com/2005/feature1001.html
If you don't handload, then the CCI shotshells are a great convenience. The only way to know if they will fit and function in your revolver is to try a box.
.45 ACP shotshells are more work. C.E. "Ed" Harris published a how-to article some years ago. RCBS makes the case forming dies.
http://www.icehouse.net/fgrig/gun/Eds45.htm
http://www.icehouse.net/fgrig/gun/shot.htm
Other references are:
http://www.gunsandammo.com/content/45-acp-shotshells
http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=621278
http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/4023872/Re_Need_Instructions_for_RCBS_
http://www.gunweek.com/2005/feature1001.html
If you don't handload, then the CCI shotshells are a great convenience. The only way to know if they will fit and function in your revolver is to try a box.
I shot one of the .45acp shotshells in a 625 with a moonclip, it jammed up the revolver; no damage done, but, a pain.
What happens, all at the same time pretty much; the case recoils against the recoil shield, the case mouth splits, the case jams in the cylinder while pressed against the recoil shield, the cylinder will now not turn, and in the case of a revolver that the cylinder swings open to reload, it won't swing open.
I suppose with a single action you could remove the cylinder after each shot.
What happens, all at the same time pretty much; the case recoils against the recoil shield, the case mouth splits, the case jams in the cylinder while pressed against the recoil shield, the cylinder will now not turn, and in the case of a revolver that the cylinder swings open to reload, it won't swing open.
I suppose with a single action you could remove the cylinder after each shot.
toysoldier
Hunter
I made shot shells for my S&W 1917 (Brasilian) from .30-06 cases. Shortened them to just under cylinder length, then turned down the case wall to get it past the chamber in the cylinder, so it has a bit of "shoulder". I had no reloading data, so just loaded them with American Pioneer powder, much as Pa describes. They fit the moon clips nicely, and are good for close-up shooting.
