45 acp Revolver

[modrifle3]

Does anyone know if Ruger ever made a revolver that shoots 45 acp and head spaces on the cylinder?

 

[Killer]

By "head spaces on the cylinder" do you mean without using moon clips? My dual cylinder 45 Colt/45 ACP Blackhawk does not use moonclips.

 

[contender]

Yep,, the 45 Convertables have a cylinder that headspaces the 45 ACPs on the mouth,, just like the semi-auto's.

 

[JmE]

The relatively recent Talo Ruger Birdshead New Vaquero headspaces on the case mouth. I have one and it came factory with only an ACP cylinder.

 

[eveled]

Yep,, the 45 Convertables have a cylinder that headspaces the 45 ACPs on the mouth,, just like the semi-auto's.

Does that mean you don't need moon clips, but can use them for easier loading? Are the 9mm cylinders the same way? ED

 

[Wheelyfun44]

The relatively recent Talo Ruger Birdshead New Vaquero headspaces on the case mouth. I have one and it came factory with only an ACP cylinder.

Yup, no moomclips required:

 

[modrifle3]

Was a double action ever made by Ruger in 45 acp.

 

[Revolver-Time]

Was a double action ever made by Ruger in 45 acp.

Never say never but, I don't think Ruger ever made a 45ACP DA revolver.

 

[kitkin]

The relatively recent Talo Ruger Birdshead New Vaquero headspaces on the case mouth. I have one and it came factory with only an ACP cylinder.

Yup, no moomclips required:

Only 300 of those were made and I have one also.

 

[JmE]

Only 300 of those were made and I have one also.

Heard a lot of different numbers but never could get confirmation on the actual production figures.

Although it doesn't have Wheelyfun44's awesome checkered grips (drool)... here's my workin' iron.

 

[Joe S.]

I too have a blued birdshead 45acp.

I KNOW wheeleyfun would lile to sell me those grips wouldnt you?

I would HATE to have to use moon clips woth a single action.

The DA's use moon clips because of extraction more than head space i think. Moon clips not needed on SA revolvers cause of the way the shells are ejected.

Only auto pistol caliber DA revolver i know of to not use moon clips is Charter. Every other one I've seen does. And charter has little retractible clips on the ejector rod that pops out and under the rim of the case to extract the case.

The Ruger DA in 9mm use moon clips.

 

[JmE]

IIRC, some of the M1917s worked with or without moonclips.

 

[Joe S.]

Good info. Not familiar with those really

 

[Biggfoot44]

The S&W M547 did Not moon clips. It was designed for the French Police. It was a K frame , the majority seen in this country were 3in RB . I actually had the opportunity to shoot one. A 4in version also was mfg , but rarely seen in US .
It used an unusual and complicated system to eject with individual little prongs that cought the ctg between rim and web. Presumably it worked acceptably when used with a specific make of issued ammo. In civillian use the wide variety of case dimentions were problamatatical.

It used a frame mounted fireing pin many years before any other CF S&W , and was thereby sought out bysome 'smiths as a donor frame to build .38 PPC guns ( that reference dates me too ).

I don't have my old data , but I recall the vels with the loads of the guns owner chronographing in the expected range for 4-ish in bbl semis.

S&W M1917/37s were intended to also fire without moon clips. Depending on the individual ammo , and individual chambers sometimes the clips gave more consistant ignition , and better accuraccy.

The S&W M940 was intended to be able to fire with or without clips. From my personal experience it is highly ammo sensitive both with and without clips.

 

[Wheelyfun44]

I KNOW wheeleyfun would lile to sell me those grips wouldnt you?

I hate to admit it.....but I sold off my birdshead 45acp.....and the grips!
I now have the Sheriff's Vaq in 44Spec, but had to sell the ACP in order to finance it......

 

[Joe S.]

I remember you saying that before. Id love to get some of those grips.

 

[David Bradshaw]

Modrifle3.... One-at-a-time ejection defines the salient advantage of the Peacemaker-based single action for chambering rimless pistol ammunition. The rimless cartridge headspaces on the case mouth----as it's designed to.

To achieve simultaneous ejection from a double action revolver, the rimless case requires a special ejection system, such as half-moon clips or moon clips; or, as Bigfoot44 notes, an extractor star full of little hooks, as seen on the S&W M-547 9mm DA revolver.

The .45 ACP is especially efficient in the hip pocket Rugers pictured here and gives up less velocity than a chopped barrel auto. I would advocate Ruger expand its Convertible concept in the Blackhawk and Vaquero lineup.
David Bradshaw

 

[modrifle3]

Anyone own the S&W 625? Really considering that pistol.

 

[Joe S.]

I should. I walked away from one at a shop because we have to get our house repaired after the hail storm. But it was NICE!!

 

[modrifle3]

They are expensive but I really want a revolver. I almost bought a 357 last year but talked my self out of it. If I could only own one caliber it will always be 45 acp.