Sal1950
Blackhawk
There are three rules to life,
Sh-t happens
Sh-t happens a lot
Deal with it.
Sal
Sh-t happens
Sh-t happens a lot
Deal with it.
Sal
.380 v 9mm
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GhosT
Blackhawk
chopprs,
Congrats on never making that mistake.
But As I have seen it happen many times.......
Beware the MURPHY LAW.....
It can happen to anybody that owns a large enough collection....
A stupid mistake to be sure........
But I never met an honest man that wouldn't admit made a few stupid mistakes in his life.
Including myself :wink:
Congrats on never making that mistake.
But As I have seen it happen many times.......
Beware the MURPHY LAW.....
It can happen to anybody that owns a large enough collection....
A stupid mistake to be sure........
But I never met an honest man that wouldn't admit made a few stupid mistakes in his life.
Including myself :wink:
Cheesewhiz
Hunter
chopprs said:
Sorry guys but I have to give chopprs a +1 on this. I've never loaded a wrong round in a gun, ever.
I was flabbergasted when I saw the .40 rental's at my favorite LGS painted orange because the renters and the counter people some how couldn't match up the proper round for that rented gun. I believe it went something like this, "Are you friggin' kidding me". If anyone wants to know, a 9mm shot in a .40 will take out the extractor and then some, real brainiacs across the board.
Hahaha....I NEVER said that I do not make mistakes. 
I guess I just don't make "stupid" mistakes...... seriously I feel that far too many people have firearms that should not. I have seen people do stupid things with firearms waaayyy too many times. This is why I do not go to the range anymore, because I usually wind up scolding some idiot! I actually HAVE NEVER put the wrong ammunition in a gun, thought of doing it or in any way wanted to. It just never crossed my mind.......
I also do not point guns at people,loaded or unloaded and I have seen INSTRUCTORS DO THAT!!!
I guess I just don't make "stupid" mistakes...... seriously I feel that far too many people have firearms that should not. I have seen people do stupid things with firearms waaayyy too many times. This is why I do not go to the range anymore, because I usually wind up scolding some idiot! I actually HAVE NEVER put the wrong ammunition in a gun, thought of doing it or in any way wanted to. It just never crossed my mind.......
I also do not point guns at people,loaded or unloaded and I have seen INSTRUCTORS DO THAT!!!
Sal1950
Blackhawk
Can't say I ain't come close, I remember having both the 9 & 40 along with their ammo sitting on the bench at the range and scratching my head for a moment trying to figure out why the 9's kept popping out of the magazine I was trying to load.. I know you can guess the answer.
Sal
Sal
chopprs said:Hahaha....I NEVER said that I do not make mistakes.
I guess I just don't make "stupid" mistakes...... seriously I feel that far too many people have firearms that should not. I have seen people do stupid things with firearms waaayyy too many times. This is why I do not go to the range anymore, because I usually wind up scolding some idiot! I actually HAVE NEVER put the wrong ammunition in a gun, thought of doing it or in any way wanted to. It just never crossed my mind.......
I also do not point guns at people,loaded or unloaded and I have seen INSTRUCTORS DO THAT!!!
While I agree that people do stupid things, anyone can make any mistake, and the more SURE you are that you CANT make that mistake, the more likley you are to make it. There was a time I felt like you, "I'm to smart to make THAT mistake..." etc. If life teaches you one thing, its that you are never good enough that you dont have to worry about making a stupid mistake.... Lots of people are really sure of themselves, despite doing and saying some really stupid things, simply because its never come back to bite them in the butt before, they think they are safe... For that reason I go to the range as little as possible, I'm lucky enough to live less than an hours drive from lots of great shooting opportunities, so i only use the range when function testing, so I dont have to drive 45 min....
As for loading the wrong ammo, Ive never done it personally, but was present when it happened and probably could have stopped it if I had though about it....
My brother and I went shooting one Saturday, and on the way there we were just chit chatting and I asked "what would happen if you loaded a 5.56x45 round in an AK-47?, He said "nothing" it wont even chamber... I figured it would chamber, but being longer it wouldn't allow the gun to fire (OOB).... Turns out, we were both wrong....
So he is loading an AK mag, and dumps a box of 7.62 out on top of some .223 rounds without thinking about it, (they were both steel cased coated, so look kinda similar)... he loads the mag and then looks at it and goes "whoops" and takes out 5 .223 rounds, and then fills the mag with the correct 7.63x39 rounds... I said "are you sure you got them all out?" he said "yes".... and proceeded to start shooting... well, halfway though the mag he got a "click", no bang. hmmm, thats odd, so he charges it again "click".... hmmmm.... looked in the chamber, and there was a casing sticking out about 1/8 inch from the chamber... :shock: so we used a cleaning rod to ram the shell out, it was a .223..... the pictures speak for themselves... the casing split down the side and the side and neck expanded...
He is not someone that "shouldn't have firearms" our entire family learned about firearms at a young age, he has been in the army since he was 19, and has more guns than I can count on two hands...
So what happened? Just being in a hurry. We definitely should have emptied the whole mag once he realised his mistake. But we were having fun shooting....
On the left a 7.62x39 casing, in the middle is a .223 fired in the AK, and on the right a normal .223
7.62x39 , .223 fired in the AK, normal .223
7.62x39 , .223 fired in the AK, normal .223
:roll: :roll: :roll:
Interesting story but though you may think so, you really have no idea who I am....... I am not an arrogant prik that thinks he is simply too smart to make mistakes. On the contrary! I spend most of every day making decisions that could be the determining factor in wether someone lives or dies. It is my job and my life to be careful and to thoroughly think things through. When you run your brain like this for thirty plus years and no one gets killed or hurt from any of your decisions you can say, without any arrogance whatsoever, that you do not make stupid mistakes....
Incidentally, I never mix my ammo together nor do I "dump" it in a container. It is all in correctly marked boxes and stays there until it gets fired from the corresponding firearm. Perhaps this may be why I have never had this happen.........
I also disagree with the assumption that firing those rounds from the wrong firearms as was done is "not" dangerous! I really doubt that there has been any conclusive research done in this area to show that it is not dangerous. I also know that uncontrolled pressures can go into places where you least expect them to. This is how a gun gets blown up in someones face......this is EXACTLY why I do not go to the range!
Incidentally, I never mix my ammo together nor do I "dump" it in a container. It is all in correctly marked boxes and stays there until it gets fired from the corresponding firearm. Perhaps this may be why I have never had this happen.........
I also disagree with the assumption that firing those rounds from the wrong firearms as was done is "not" dangerous! I really doubt that there has been any conclusive research done in this area to show that it is not dangerous. I also know that uncontrolled pressures can go into places where you least expect them to. This is how a gun gets blown up in someones face......this is EXACTLY why I do not go to the range!
exavid
Hunter
I hate to disagree but everyone has a "stupid mistake" waiting around the corner. As far as firing ammo of the wrong size in a firearm I used to have a .300 Mashburn Magnum which is a wildcat on a 300 H&H or Winchester 300. To prepare the brass you fired a 300 H&H or Winchester out of the 110L Savage Mashburn rifle to fire form the brass. The H&H is a tapered and necked shell. The fire formed shell had no taper, a short neck and quite sharply angled shoulders. After that it was 90gr. of 4831 with a Nosler Partition 220gr. bullet. The point is that this was a pretty extreme example of fire forming but that's the only way one could get a shell for this wildcat cartridge. I formed and shot at least a couple hundred rounds through that rifle before I finally traded it off for another 30-06. The Mashburn clocked around 3800fps which is a bit excessive for a 220gr. bullet. It had a tendency to damage too much meat on a moose.
Cheesewhiz
Hunter
exavid said:
"If ya kill your last chicken ya don't get no eggs"
Reforming the angle of a shoulder on a brass casing fired from a bolt action rifle with a proper case length is not the same as firing the wrong round in a pistol.
BTW, I believe the normal round used to fire form brass to a 'long' Mashburn was .300 Weatherby Mag.
exavid
Hunter
There was more to it htan changing the shoulder of the shell because when fire formed it had parallel sides instead of tapered as the .300 H&H did.
Probably could do it with a .300 Weatherby but when I bought the rifle I was told the .300 H&H would do and formed quite a few for reloading. It seemed kinda funny using .300 H&H for plinking before reloading. The rifle really wasn't as uncomfortable to shoot as a .338 but it did damage meat. Accuracy wasn't great if it was loaded lighter. I traded it off for another 110L plus 500 rds of 30-06 ammo.
Probably could do it with a .300 Weatherby but when I bought the rifle I was told the .300 H&H would do and formed quite a few for reloading. It seemed kinda funny using .300 H&H for plinking before reloading. The rifle really wasn't as uncomfortable to shoot as a .338 but it did damage meat. Accuracy wasn't great if it was loaded lighter. I traded it off for another 110L plus 500 rds of 30-06 ammo.
Cheesewhiz
Hunter
exavid said:
I didn't want to sound like Joe Wildcat, I'm not, I was exposed to a bunch of guys that were wildcatters at a very young age. My dad had these strange gentlemen as friends and they seemed to come from all over the country and even Canada. I remember seeing them first at the age of three, one had a great white beard and was a rather round big man, I was sure my dad had Santa as a drinking buddy.
...but as I got a little older I sat in and listened as they talked their gun talk and later on I use to run across a shallow creek near Dekalb, IL putting up targets for those men. They built their own rifles and designed their own rounds to put in them and I found them strange and fun to listen to. When my dad died, I was only 13, they came from everywhere to say goodbye to him. I never saw them after that but I remember them as though it was yesterday. Every round had a number and a name.
