$100 fine to stores when shopping carts are stolen

[Pál_K]

Normally, central and eastern Oregon (and Washington) is more conservative and traditional in value, but now even there the idea of punishing the victim has captured the mind of city officials:

https://www.centraloregondaily.com/...cle_78fa4890-d1b0-11ee-aac0-67980b040f33.html

 

[OLE_X_ME]

we have a supermarket chain here named, Aldi

they had at one time (i don't know if it's still working) a perimeter locking device by electronics...if the shopping cart went past that line embedded in the ground, one wheel would lock up.......and stayed locked up....given the costs of shopping carts, and the number of carts per store, this can be incredibly expensive.

shopping carts have been freely taken off store property for decades.

punishing the stores with fines..??

well if the store moved away..........where will the people shop?

sorta like the city cutting off its nose to spite its face.

labor just may not be available to the stores to keep the carts stored away...many companies are screaming for workers as it is now.

anyone try to push a line of shopping carts in the snow..?? ice..?? rain..??

it's a BS job, i'd never want

 

[Jeepnik]

Locally all of the supermarkets have had perimeter locks. It seems to work pretty well.
However , there has been a trend for folks to fill carts and just push them out without paying. The management won’t allow anyone, including security personnel, to stop them.
To put a stop to this one chain has installed the same system inside the doors. If you don’t go through a checkout the carts will lock up. It had completely stopped the thefts of full carts of merchandise.
Smaller scale shoplifting still happens but not the large scale thefts.
The security folks still can’t detain the thieves but at least it somewhat reduces the theft volume.

 

[Ride1949]

anyone try to push a line of shopping carts in the snow..?? ice..?? rain..??

it's a BS job, i'd never want

The local Wal Mart here has a little tow motor kind of rig they hook up that pushes the row of carts they connect it to the first cart in line with a long strap. Then they use a remote control to drlve it while they steer the train with the first cart.

https://discover.hubpages.com/business/Tips-for-Using-the-Cart-Manager-as-a-Cart-Pusher-at-Wal-Mart

 

[Ray Newman]

From the bottom of the linked article:

"Madras abandons shopping cart theft ordinance proposal[

"Multiple stores in Madras Central Oregon Daily they've already taken steps to increase the security of their carts since the proposal was introduced. Many still expect thefts to remain a complex issue in the community."

 

[Ride1949]

 

[TINCANBANDIT is back]

Shopping cart theft is illegal, in Washington it used to be the last law in title 9A, when I was in college getting my degree in Administration of Justice, we had to keep a copy of the entire criminal code and memorize the more popular ones.

My point is that the stores could sue the city of Madras for not enforcing the law......

 

[peachhead]

At some point over Christmas, I ended up at the Kroger closest to us. The parking lot was pretty full so I parked way up at the top of the lot, past the perimeter road. On the way back the thing locked up right before I got to the perimeter. Man was I ticked off.

 

[OLE_X_ME]

The local Wal Mart here has a little tow motor kind of rig that hook up that pushes the row of carts they connect it to the first cart in line with a long strap. Then they use a remote control to drlve it while they steer the train with the first cart.

https://discover.hubpages.com/business/Tips-for-Using-the-Cart-Manager-as-a-Cart-Pusher-at-Wal-Mart

yes, the one i frequent, does not have that.

one across the state line, does.

most grocery stores here, just don't have that, which to make things easier, and to maybe prevent workman's comp claims, they should..???

 

[Mobuck]

ALDI's where you have to put a quarter in the slot to release your cart from the chain!!
This sort of thing is absolutely the WRONG answer to homelessness. I'd better not get started on that problem since I have ZERO sympathy for indigents. NUFF SAID

 

[AJGUNNER]

Real simple solution----go back to the stone ages when stores had what was known as "courtesy clerks" or "bag/box boys". They not only bagged up your purchase, but would also deliver it to your car and return the cart back inside the store.
More jobs created, no carts lost or stolen, happy customers, a few dollars less for the fat cats at the corporate level.

 

[BearBiologist]

Shopping cart theft is illegal, in Washington it used to be the last law in title 9A, when I was in college getting my degree in Administration of Justice, we had to keep a copy of the entire criminal code and memorize the more popular ones.

LAPD was sued over the slogan "To Serve and To Protect". The plaintiff lost because the police are not required to "Protect" the citizenry!

"The motto, "To Protect and Serve," first coined by the Los Angeles Police Department in the 1950s, has been widely copied by police departments everywhere. But what, exactly, is a police officer's legal obligation to protect people? Must they risk their lives in dangerous situations like the one in Uvalde?

The answer is no.

In the 1981 case Warren v. District of Columbia, the D.C. Court of Appeals held that police have a general "public duty," but that "no specific legal duty exists" unless there is a special relationship between an officer and an individual, such as a person in custody.

The U.S. Supreme Court has also ruled that police have no specific obligation to protect. In its 1989 decision in DeShaney v. Winnebago County Department of Social Services, the justices ruled that a social services department had no duty to protect a young boy from his abusive father. In 2005'sCastle Rock v. Gonzales, a woman sued the police for failing to protect her from her husband after he violated a restraining order and abducted and killed their three children. Justices said the police had no such duty.

Most recently, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 11th Circuit upheld a lower court ruling that police could not be held liable for failing to protect students in the 2018 shooting that claimed 17 lives at Marjorie Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida.

 

[Pál_K]

From the bottom of the linked article:

"Madras abandons shopping cart theft ordinance proposal[

"Multiple stores in Madras Central Oregon Daily they've already taken steps to increase the security of their carts since the proposal was introduced. Many still expect thefts to remain a complex issue in the community."

Although they abandoned the idea, those who conceived it are still in office and seem surprised people opposed it.

 

[Randyzzz]

Although they abandoned the idea, those who conceived it are still in office and seem surprised people opposed it.

Central Oregon is slowly succumbing to the decay seeping in from the West…

 

[gunzo]

Where does this backward thinking come from?

With the heck has happened to logic & common sense????????

 

[larry8]

If the cops have no duty to protect the citizens, then why do we have them??? To issue speeding tickets???

 

[gnappi]

Aldi has a semi-answer. Bring your own bags, and pay a quarter to use a cart. I think they're rarely missing, if they do start going away maybe they'll make renting / using a cart a dollar?

 

[Ride1949]

Central Oregon is slowly succumbing to the decay seeping in from the West…

We're going down the tubes faster every day. Bend is now Portland East. I avoid it every chance I get. I was born in Wyoming and I have to say it's looking pretty good right now.

 

[remshooter]

I think that cities govt does not really care what happens to the grocery carts.I think they just looking for an out of the box way to raise their tax revenue , without calling it a tax