10/22 mag problem

[welder]

I just took out my previously unfired 257 series 10/22 and had numerous jams due to the cases not being ejected cleanly. Took it home, cleaned it good and began to trouble shoot. The magazines I had, one came with the rifle and a second new one I bought were marked "10 shot" and fit in the gun properly. The problem is the ejector has zero chance of striking the case out due to the left rear corner of (both) mags covering it completely? The cases are being ejected by the magazine feed lips. I have a couple of Butler creek mags and they are completely different in that the feed lips are quite lower than the ejector and they work perfectly. The ejector can hit the spent case easily with those. I guess my question is, are there different 10/22 mags or I have I got some other issue? I do have a .22 magnum mag and it is quite a bit longer so there is no mix up there. Anybody? Thanks.

 

[Precision32]

With the 10-22 design the OEM magazines ARE the ejector. The one in the trigger group is there just for aftermarket mags.

Ejection problems are likely extractor related.

 

[BlkHawk73]

P32 is spot on. Exactly what does it do, what does "not ejected cleanly" detail to?

Try different ammo.

 

[welder]

With the 10-22 design the OEM magazines ARE the ejector. The one in the trigger group is there just for aftermarket mags.

Ejection problems are likely extractor related.

O.K. Understood. Got with a co-worker today and his 10/22 is exactly like mine, mags and all. I realized the magazine was the "ejector" after we took a good look. This is my 4th 10/22 and the first to ever have a problem. I will try different ammo and another borrowed proven mag. The ammo was Federal Value pack, 32 grain HV. Never had a problem with it before either.

 

[welder]

P32 is spot on. Exactly what does it do, what does "not ejected cleanly" detail to?

Try different ammo.

The spent case is caught half in and half out between the bolt and breech. Usually with the open end inside the gun. Somewhat like a stove pipe on a 1911, just with the primer side facing out. It prevents the next cartridge from feeding and it ends up being pushed inside the receiver against the inner side. I am really beginning to believe it is ammo related. If it is it will be the first 10/22 to be pickie for me. I will try several different brands tomorrow after work. Thanks for the replies, I appreciate them.

 

[blume357]

You may find ammo that works better in that specific 10/22 but I have a problem calling it 'ammo related' since other 10/22s don't have the same problem....

I'd start diagnosing the problem with various tries at things... like polishing the chamber and cleaning everything real well.

take a bolt and spring out of your friends 10/22 and put it in yours and see what happens...

 

[Precision32]

When I do a slick and shine on a 10-22 I always fit the extractor to the bolt. I work the extractor until there is 0.010" to 0.015" of cam out as the cartridge rim slides up under the extractor.

If the extractor fails to hold the spent case tight to the bolt, the case will move off location during it's rearward travel and hit the ejector in the wrong place for proper, complete ejection.

 

[welder]

Thanks Precision32.
I did a slick & shine on the bolt today. There were several places that were rough, especially where the extractor slides in and out of the bolt. There were two pronounced groves beginning to cut into the extractor so I squared and polished the bolt cut and it works free now. The extractor is not holding the rim as tight as it does on another rifle I looked at so I will fit it as you have described.
Also, where the roll pin goes through the firing/bolt, it was protruding enough on one side that it was scratching the receiver so I pushed it and centered it in past the bore and smoothed up the hole in the bolt. The roll pin was already polishing it's self against the receiver and I'm sure this was robbing some velocity.
I will try to fit the extractor tonight and test it tomorrow,.....I hope.
Than you kindly for your help, I really appreciate it.

 

[welder]

Got out this morning for some testing. I have polished the chamber, bolt and fitted the extractor for a bit more tension. I have reduced the failures to one per mag where before it was 3-5 per mag. I tried Winchester and CCI. While not perfect they were far better than Federal, occasionally getting through a couple before a failure. I looked at the rims under magnification and saw the Federal had a far more gentle radius than the others. A Google search found gillions of Federal criticisms in rim fire so it will be fed to the revolvers and my bolts guns.
I ordered the Volquartsen up-grades from Midway along with some other goodies for my little rifle. This seems to be a pretty standard fix for a problem gun. Went ahead and ordered some for my 22/45 too just cause. It BTW, has been perfect since I solved the magazine catch problem.
As I posted earlier this is the first 10/22 that I have ever seen stumble. I bought my son one years ago and I don't remember it ever failing in anyway and we fired anything we could find in it. I've had a couple others and my brother ha
Thanks for the replies.