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Would you let a family member who could legally carry concealed carry a handgun that you own?

Strictly speaking from a legal and liability standpoint.

In other words if the family member had to use it, would it be better if it was in their name?
 
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To some degree the State cannot know just when you decided to give, or lend the gun to someone else, other than having documentation as to when you acquired the gun to begin with. Twenty five or so years ago, while both of us lived in TX, I gave a Taurus revolver to a relative, no paperwork involved. That relative now lives in the same state I live in, but the authorities cannot possibly know when that transfer took place, whether legally as it was done 25 years ago, or yesterday which would be a violation of Illinois law.
 
I'm a firm believer that most all Americans have the unquestioned Right to carry a gun. They do not however, have a Right to carry mine....In other words, if they want to arm themselves, they need to man up and put some skin into the game....Same thing with kids and motor vehicles. I've raised 5 of 'em and now have 13 Grand kids. Never bought a single one of them a car, and other than teaching them to drive, never let a one of them use mine...Why?; Because I was raised to work, be independent, and do for myself. That worked out great in the long run, so I figure that if it was good enough for me it would be good enough for them....and nope, they ain't borrowing my gun to carry around neither. LOL.

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LOL....I told this story some time in the past on this or on another forum.
Live is sunny but restrictive (gun wise) California. Had a neighbor who was anti-gun but tolerated me having them.
A series of break-ins in our neighborhood worried my neighbor. The neighbor calls me and asked if I had a handgun I would loan them until the preps were found and arrested.
Unfortunately :ROFLMAO: I had to sadly inform him that because he had voted for all the gun restriction laws here in California, the current laws prevented me from loaning any firearm. :sneaky:
@ busterswoodshop: Some time later he sold his house and moved to Arizona where he probably is supporting anti-gun laws there.:eek:

I am sorry to say the new buyer of his home is also an anti-gunner. I had hoped for a happier outcome.
 
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I don't lend, but gift guns to family members.

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Busterswoodshop said:
If they can legally own and carry a gun , there is no law that say's you can not loan , give or sell them a gun.
Not in my state anyway.
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In the eyes of the Feds, the recipient should not have cause to check "Yes" on the 4473 questions 21b through 21n. If they do and you loan, give or sell the firearm you are in violation of Federal Law. (Unless you are Joe Biden's son.)
 
blume357 said:
sure, but I'm also wondering about your wording of "the gun in their name"
I've loaned guns, given guns away and even sold about 3 over the years.... all just by handing them over to a friend.
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If I give the gun to them or sell it to them I could care less whose name it is in. Not mine to worry with anymore, plain and simple. If they want it in their name that is up to them, if they don't fine with me.
 
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Immediate relatives. If my wife is carrying, it’s with a gun that I bought. Likewise, there are times we are out and decide to have a meal. I have her put my carry piece in her purse so I can have a beer.

Likewise, all my kids guns with the deception of one were purchased by me and given to them.

Would I loan a gun to someone? No way.
 
Sam Summey said:
In the eyes of the Feds, the recipient should not have cause to check "Yes" on the 4473 questions 21b through 21n. If they do and you loan, give or sell the firearm you are in violation of Federal Law. (Unless you are Joe Biden's son.)
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No. Once I buy the gun, as long as I am the "true buyer", I can loan, rent, give, or sell to another as long as state law allows and the recipient is not prohibited.

I buy a gun and give it to my daughter for Christmas. Perfectly legal.

I buy a gun and lend it to my daughter and that too is perfectly legal.

I buy a gun and later my neighbor wants to borrow it for hunting, I can lend it to him and that is legal.

What is not legal is buying a gun for another person unless it is a gift.

Folks used to think that buying a gun for a buddy because you got a deal of some sort and then doing a transfer at a dealer was legal. There was a guy who got burned on that a few years back.
 
Yaworski said:
No. Once I buy the gun, as long as I am the "true buyer", I can loan, rent, give, or sell to another as long as state law allows and the recipient is not prohibited.

I buy a gun and give it to my daughter for Christmas. Perfectly legal.

I buy a gun and lend it to my daughter and that too is perfectly legal.
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I believe you mis-read my answer. The questions 21b through 21n on the 4473 are the reasons that prevent a relative or another person not related to you from owning a firearm. In other words they have Federally indicated character flaw.
 
Yaworski said:
No. Once I buy the gun, as long as I am the "true buyer", I can loan, rent, give, or sell to another as long as state law allows and the recipient is not prohibited.

I buy a gun and give it to my daughter for Christmas. Perfectly legal.

I buy a gun and lend it to my daughter and that too is perfectly legal.

I buy a gun and later my neighbor wants to borrow it for hunting, I can lend it to him and that is legal.

What is not legal is buying a gun for another person unless it is a gift.

Folks used to think that buying a gun for a buddy because you got a deal of some sort and then doing a transfer at a dealer was legal. There was a guy who got burned on that a few years back.
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"Folks used to think that buying a gun for a buddy because you got a deal of some sort and then doing a transfer at a dealer was legal. There was a guy who got burned on that a few years back."
Question 21 b and 21n ask if you are planning to sell the firearm. I hope the gentleman got a lawyer worth his salt, going through a FFL for a transfer is a legal task, as long as the FFL entered the firearm into his "bound record book".
 
Sam Summey said:
Question 21 b and 21n ask if you are planning to sell the firearm.
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I don't know how long you've been around the gun world but the 4473 changes regularly and I'm pretty sure that those questions are comparatively new.

If you pay attention to the news, you might recall the story I'm referencing. Our hero could get a police discount on a particular gun that his uncle (if memory serves) wanted. The uncle gives our guy money and the guy in question buys the gun. They then go to another dealer where the uncle does a 4473 and the gun is transferred to him. No prohibited people involved and a nice paper trail.

However, the transaction comes to light as part of another investigation and the feds go after our guy because he originally bought the gun at the behest of another. Even though no prohibited people were involved and there was a nice paper trail, the original purchase was tainted.
 
Yep, you aren't supposed to do that.... my problem with the 4473 form is most of the questions they ask before those... like your age and race and such are illegal to ask anywhere else other than the gun world. Pretty soon they will have what religion you are.... I still can't figure the latin question.... and here is the thing.... if they the ATF are not getting this information unless there is an investigation... what is the reason for having to put it on the form?
 
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