QC Fail on Taffin 45
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Absolute Crapsmanship!!! Maybe they should try jigging up the Grip frames and trying to "Standardize" them like they have the grip panels for crying out loud.
Doc_Holidude
Bearcat
I just can’t even imagine the level of frustration you fellas must feel! “Here’s your “perfect packing pistol” that you paid top dollar for, and we acknowledge that it looks like a five year old blind kid fit and assembled it…but look on the bright side, those ill fitting grips are very pretty.” “If you keep it tucked in your backpack out of sight, the horrid aesthetics of it might not even bother you.”
Jeebus!
. Glad I only briefly entertained a buying thought.
Jeebus!
. Glad I only briefly entertained a buying thought.
It definitely looks like the Remlins have won the Culture War at Ruger. It seems like most of the newer products have had QC/Function issues.
A blind man on a galloping horse wouldn't have sent these out the door to a costumer.I just can't even imagine the level of frustration you fellas must feel! "Here's your "perfect packing pistol" that you paid top dollar for, and we acknowledge that it looks like a five year old blind kid fit and assembled it…but look on the bright side, those ill fitting grips are very pretty." "If you keep it tucked in your backpack out of sight, the horrid aesthetics of it might not even bother you."
Jeebus!
woodperson
Blackhawk
"A blind man on a galloping horse wouldn't have sent these out the door to a costumer."
Sure he would have. Because...there is no fix at Ruger for it. All they can do is fit another randomly sized grip frame to the gun and have the problem all over again. So they are simply not going to reject a gun for that problem before delivery,
Maybe they can send it over to their repair department and have them sand and polish the grip frame to the grips but I would not count on them doing that successfully either. That must be what happens when a customer returns a gun?
I think Ruger needs to CNC the outline of the grip frames after casting and maybe train the sanders and polishers to do better. It seems to be that or custom fit all the grips for the steel frames. I bet the alloy grip frames do not have this problem.
Everybody told me how good the repair department at Ruger is. But...when I sent my beat up .41 Mag in had had a steel grip frame installed they made a mistake polishing it and shipped it back. I live with it but am aggravated also.
Sure he would have. Because...there is no fix at Ruger for it. All they can do is fit another randomly sized grip frame to the gun and have the problem all over again. So they are simply not going to reject a gun for that problem before delivery,
Maybe they can send it over to their repair department and have them sand and polish the grip frame to the grips but I would not count on them doing that successfully either. That must be what happens when a customer returns a gun?
I think Ruger needs to CNC the outline of the grip frames after casting and maybe train the sanders and polishers to do better. It seems to be that or custom fit all the grips for the steel frames. I bet the alloy grip frames do not have this problem.
Everybody told me how good the repair department at Ruger is. But...when I sent my beat up .41 Mag in had had a steel grip frame installed they made a mistake polishing it and shipped it back. I live with it but am aggravated also.
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I'm sorry if I sound like I'm Ruger-bashing, but I simply cannot understand WHY Ruger insists of sticking with this inefficient, unsightly method of finishing grip frames, and then installing grips that so obviously don't fit! I realize that many of us almost immediately replace the factory grips on our handguns with something to personalize it. And, while some/most people will gripe about the poor fit, that's all that they will do. If Ruger would invest in the necessary CNC milling machine(s) to do the finish machining on these grip frames, they could eliminate the uneven warped surfaces, and contour all of them identically in the same step! Base your grip patterns off of the new, properly machined grip frames, and it would be a winning combination! I mean, it isn't like this is something that just became an issue! I honestly don't think that Ruger cares about this, else they would have resolved it long ago. I'm done buying new Rugers, myself.
I got an email from Ruger a little while ago saying I could call for an RMA number. They will furnish a prepaid Fedex label, so I guess I am going that route. I am NOT confident this abomination is going to come back any better, but I guess I'll know if a month or so. I am with Enigma. I am not buying any more Rugers, especially if I have to order it sight unseen.
I'm on my way to pick mine up as we speak. As long as the metal work on the rest of the gun is good, this may be my first RW grip frame. I've replaced the grips on all but one Bisley I have so the grips aren't a deal breaker for me. If the metal work looks like some of the photos I've seen here, Lipsey's can have it back.
I looked mine over, payed for it, and had my dealer ship it straight to Ronnie. I highly recommend aluminum to make it a true PPP. I’m getting the Potatoe Judge Junior. If you want it light, and will be shooting stout loads, the full size aluminum bisley or potatoe judge with a 4 degree draft, will shoot softer than either with standard grip angle.
I was eager to get one, so I placed a bid on one, gunbroker, when they popped up.
After this thread and SingleAction forum threads, I asked for pics of the actual gun they had. The grips looked like they fit a little better than some, until I saw this one. Looks like someone tried to match Tyler's grip to the frame? Blow it up and it has clearly been ground off.
I'll take the gunbroker hit/penalty on being a non-paying bidder.
After this thread and SingleAction forum threads, I asked for pics of the actual gun they had. The grips looked like they fit a little better than some, until I saw this one. Looks like someone tried to match Tyler's grip to the frame? Blow it up and it has clearly been ground off.
I'll take the gunbroker hit/penalty on being a non-paying bidder.
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↑ That one looks pretty good!
It’s a little rough but I can’t see it when I’m shooting it.
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Ruger Guru
I'm hearing rumbles that Ruger,, Lipsey's, Bobby & Ronnie are VERY WELL aware of the issues, and are looking into a quality way to fix this issue.
Be patient,, if you have one,, POLITELY contact Ruger with your issue,, and let them see about correcting it. I think we'll see a resolution that makes people happy.
Just remember,, Ruger,, like so many companies lost a lot of their work force during the covid crap. Many chose to NOT return to work for Ruger. As such,, having to train new people who have to undergo a serious background check,, and drug testing has severely lowered the available quality people to actually make stuff. It takes time,, as well as actual workers who are willing to learn to do things a specific way AND,, do so in a quick & efficient manner.
Be patient,, if you have one,, POLITELY contact Ruger with your issue,, and let them see about correcting it. I think we'll see a resolution that makes people happy.
Just remember,, Ruger,, like so many companies lost a lot of their work force during the covid crap. Many chose to NOT return to work for Ruger. As such,, having to train new people who have to undergo a serious background check,, and drug testing has severely lowered the available quality people to actually make stuff. It takes time,, as well as actual workers who are willing to learn to do things a specific way AND,, do so in a quick & efficient manner.
Everything about these screams Crapsmanship!!!It's a little rough but I can't see it when I'm shooting it.
As the Chief QC for several power plants I was occasionally called to court for various issues with subcontractors. One had been falling behind on deadlines and was being replaced. At some point I was questioned about them not meeting the deadlines. I said that my job was quality. If it's not quality it's not production.
One of my first paying gunsmith jobs in 2005 was fitting a pair of Paul Persinger Ivory (real) grips to a 1973 3rd gen Colt. They were oversize, no two grip frames are the same either.
In the manufacturing world today of precision matched metal dies, one would think that the casting could be struck at the parting line and uniform the shape. As a designer of diecast products in my past life, that is exactly what we did to a raw casting fresh out of the mold before the grain structure grew and the casting became less ductile.
In the manufacturing world today of precision matched metal dies, one would think that the casting could be struck at the parting line and uniform the shape. As a designer of diecast products in my past life, that is exactly what we did to a raw casting fresh out of the mold before the grain structure grew and the casting became less ductile.
One of the examples illustrated on this matter had an inside curve on the front strap that should not be there. That inside curve is reminiscent of the old Bisley grip shape of the antique abomination of the Colt product which is almost unusable in modern day technique of handgun marksmanship.
contender
Ruger Guru
I don't think it's in the casting of the grip frames,, but the actual polishing of them AFTER casting. No uniformity because there are likely more than one person doing that job,, and as mentioned,, the Bisley shape is a bit different than the plow handle. It takes a skilled hand to polish stuff nicely AND uniformly.
And even if you purchase a RW Grip Frame,, it's oversized & you have to do the final hand fitting/polishing yourself,, OR,,, send your gun to Ronnie (or someone else,) to be done for you.
Ronnie gets $350 for a grip frame and that's w/o grips. I can't recall what he gets for a set of grips,, or what he charges for fitting & all.
The point is,, it COSTS MONEY to get top quality,, and a skilled person has to do it.
By all accounts,, the JT PPP has suffered a problem where the grip frames & grip fitment is concerned.
And I have a strong feeling that it WILL get resolved somehow. I trust Ronnie, Bobby, Jason, & yes,, Ruger to figure out how to correct this.
And even if you purchase a RW Grip Frame,, it's oversized & you have to do the final hand fitting/polishing yourself,, OR,,, send your gun to Ronnie (or someone else,) to be done for you.
Ronnie gets $350 for a grip frame and that's w/o grips. I can't recall what he gets for a set of grips,, or what he charges for fitting & all.
The point is,, it COSTS MONEY to get top quality,, and a skilled person has to do it.
By all accounts,, the JT PPP has suffered a problem where the grip frames & grip fitment is concerned.
And I have a strong feeling that it WILL get resolved somehow. I trust Ronnie, Bobby, Jason, & yes,, Ruger to figure out how to correct this.
KS25-06
Single-Sixer
Big fan of JT. Have several of his books, loved his writings about big bore pistols. Was all set to buy one of the Lipsey PPP's. Sure not going to now. Some bunch of clowns need to be fired for letting crap like that get out the factory door. Seems to me that since there is no one from the Ruger family over seeing operations things have been going down hill. Including the company stock prices.
Spoke with Bobby yesterday regarding something else but found out he came back from SHOT with combined pneumonia and the flu, one of his top 'smiths is out with the flu, and Bobby's wife's father is in the hospital with the flu.
Just sayin' there might be a slight delay in the resolution of this issue.
Just sayin' there might be a slight delay in the resolution of this issue.
As far as I know that is the 'only' way to get good fitting grips is to have them custom fit (or roll your own). Some times factory is 'acceptable', but never perfect. At least on all of my Rugers and I have a few... To me it just part of making a revolver mine, is getting good looking grips fitted properly ... and yes there is a cost involved. Just part of it.
I do not believe Ruger actually "Fits" their grips. They buy them a given size and slap them on. I doubt if any company actually fits each set to a given gun any longer. S&W stopped sanding them to a specific frame back in the late 1950's. I think though that Rugers tend to vary more from frame to frame, per haps that is a result of using investment castings and polishing them in areas not requiring close machining.
Chig's is a real value when you consider that he fits them to your individual grip frame. Most of his wood, which is Burl, AAA and exhibition grade, are about $100.
I agree on the stock prices, the share price is so low I can't afford to sell, it would be a 22% loss. On the plus side Ruger's dividends pay more per share than the other stock in my "portfolio".
