Ultramax-Ammunition Fire

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The Ultramax Ammunition is engulfed in flames Tuesday morning on Elk Vale Road north of Interstate 90.

Looks to be a total loss, no lives lost. Good ammunition.
 
Watched it on the news tonight. I bought all of the duty ammunition for my officers there for the many years I was the Police Chief. They said the Fire Dept. had a half mile standoff due to ammo going off! Guess the fire Dept. wasn't aware that unchambered ammo is not dangerous!
 
Worked at one of the Hercules plant in Virginia back in the early 70's as
a contractor replacing the windows, Long story short every power tool we
had had to be Air Powered. drills saws impacts cost a few bucks to gear up for
it but was well worth the trouble. Very interesting place!
The precautions to prevent explosion we constant and taken very seriously. ps
 
protoolman said:
Watched it on the news tonight. I bought all of the duty ammunition for my officers there for the many years I was the Police Chief. They said the Fire Dept. had a half mile standoff due to ammo going off! Guess the fire Dept. wasn't aware that unchambered ammo is not dangerous!

I'm thinking it was probably because of a very large quantity of gun powder on the premises. That stuff going up could get very interesting in one hell of a hurry. I'm not familiar with the company but if that was where they made the ammo, there would have to be a very large supply of powder. I'm talking not a few pounds but hundreds if not thousands of pounds of relatively fast burning powder.
Paul B.
 
Paul B said:
protoolman said:
Watched it on the news tonight. I bought all of the duty ammunition for my officers there for the many years I was the Police Chief. They said the Fire Dept. had a half mile standoff due to ammo going off! Guess the fire Dept. wasn't aware that unchambered ammo is not dangerous!

I'm thinking it was probably because of a very large quantity of gun powder on the premises. That stuff going up could get very interesting in one hell of a hurry. I'm not familiar with the company but if that was where they made the ammo, there would have to be a very large supply of powder. I'm talking not a few pounds but hundreds if not thousands of pounds of relatively fast burning powder.
Paul B.

Exactly. Having a facility like that in their jurisdiction, The fire department would train for and have a plan of action in effect for just such an occurrence there. They knew what they were doing. I could only imagine if an armchair expert was at the scene of the Hercules plant explosion years ago. “Oh don’t worry. Smokeless powder isn’t explosive.”
 
powder smoke said:
Worked at one of the Hercules plant in Virginia back in the early 70's as
a contractor replacing the windows, Long story short every power tool we
had had to be Air Powered. drills saws impacts cost a few bucks to gear up for
it but was well worth the trouble. Very interesting place!
The precautions to prevent explosion we constant and taken very seriously. ps

You ought to try working around a grain elevator or soybean oil extraction plant!

Bob Wright
 
drew76 said:
Paul B said:
protoolman said:
Watched it on the news tonight. I bought all of the duty ammunition for my officers there for the many years I was the Police Chief. They said the Fire Dept. had a half mile standoff due to ammo going off! Guess the fire Dept. wasn't aware that unchambered ammo is not dangerous!

I'm thinking it was probably because of a very large quantity of gun powder on the premises. That stuff going up could get very interesting in one hell of a hurry. I'm not familiar with the company but if that was where they made the ammo, there would have to be a very large supply of powder. I'm talking not a few pounds but hundreds if not thousands of pounds of relatively fast burning powder.
Paul B.

Exactly. Having a facility like that in their jurisdiction, The fire department would train for and have a plan of action in effect for just such an occurrence there. They knew what they were doing. I could only imagine if an armchair expert was at the scene of the Hercules plant explosion years ago. “Oh don’t worry. Smokeless powder isn’t explosive.”

Exactly. I had to destroy a couple of pounds of smokeless powers, three cans of IMR4350 that was turning bad. Two were full and one about half full. made the mistake of piling it up in too big a pile and using a short train of powder for ignition. Let's just say it was spectacular as hell and even that technically small amount was definitely raising pressure inside the pile. You could definitely tell something was going on in the change the way the powder was burning. These days, if I have to destroy powder it will be in smaller piles.
Paul B.
 
Gentlemen; I have never toured an ammunition plant, BUT I would suspect that the stores of powder (Quote}hundreds if not thousands of pounds of relatively fast burning powder{Quote) are kept separate from the majority manufacturing faculty EXCEPT that which was needed for current production. If the completed ammunition is not kept stored in smaller quantities, I would suggest a THOROUGH inspection regarding the safe practices at that plant.
 
Bob Wright said:
powder smoke said:
Worked at one of the Hercules plant in Virginia back in the early 70's as
a contractor replacing the windows, Long story short every power tool we
had had to be Air Powered. drills saws impacts cost a few bucks to gear up for
it but was well worth the trouble. Very interesting place!
The precautions to prevent explosion we constant and taken very seriously. ps

You ought to try working around a grain elevator or soybean oil extraction plant!

Bob Wright

I have done so every working day since July of 1989.
 
Colonialgirl said:
If the completed ammunition is not kept stored in smaller quantities, I would suggest a THOROUGH inspection regarding the safe practices at that plant.

HI,

A buddy did some consulting work after he retired, primarily to help small businesses who wish to become involved with government contracting learn all the ins and outs, some legal, some procedural, some "just cuz." He was at Lake City for a while, learning what they needed in a subcontractor, then at another company which wanted to deal with LC. He told some stories of inadequate safety practices that had to be dealt with before they could go any further with the other company. LC was fine... but then they've been doing this for a long time. Most of the things which needed attention were simple "We never thought of that" types of situations which the company jumped right on, and got fixed "rat now." It wouldn't surprise me if there's a lot of that same problem throughout the industry's smaller players.

Rick C
 
Bob Wright said:
You ought to try working around a grain elevator or soybean oil extraction plant!

Bob Wright

I have done so every working day since July of 1989.[/quote]

Then you are aware of the explosive force grain dust can produce. I inspected one plant, a pet food manufacturing facility, that had had an explosion. And saw photos of several others. One, at Logansport, Indiana, was especially destructive.

Bob Wright
 
Bob Wright said:
Bob Wright said:
You ought to try working around a grain elevator or soybean oil extraction plant!

Bob Wright

I have done so every working day since July of 1989.

Then you are aware of the explosive force grain dust can produce. I inspected one plant, a pet food manufacturing facility, that had had an explosion. And saw photos of several others. One, at Logansport, Indiana, was especially destructive.

Bob Wright[/quote]

There was a flour factory in Denver when I was a kid - Hungarian Flour. They had two large towers (silos?), one on each end of the plant - BEFORE the explosion. Only one, afterwards.
 
Bob Wright said:
Bob Wright said:
You ought to try working around a grain elevator or soybean oil extraction plant!

Bob Wright

I have done so every working day since July of 1989.

Then you are aware of the explosive force grain dust can produce. I inspected one plant, a pet food manufacturing facility, that had had an explosion. And saw photos of several others. One, at Logansport, Indiana, was especially destructive.

Bob Wright[/quote]


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The fire on the S.S. Grandcamp produced a dense, brilliantly colored smoke that could be seen all over town. Fires around the docks were a fairly common occurrence in Texas City; it was not unusual for residents to travel down to the docks to watch the fires and the firemen working, which may explain why there were so many bystanders present — and subsequently so many casualties — at explosion of the S.S. Grandcamp.

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I don't know that this was a manufacturing facility. I for instance bought cases of Federal ammunition from them. News reports said this was an ammunition storage facility with millions of rounds inside. News reports said the 1/2 mile standoff and evacuation was because boxed ammo stored there was popping and there was concern someone could be struck by bullets. No reports that this was a manufacturing facility. They do sell reloads so I'm not sure where those come from though. The buildings were all just steel warehouses.
 
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