Semantics: terms

[Bob Wright]

A fellow elsewhere referred to the Walker Colts Clint Eastwood was shown using in a movie as "fake." I have pondered on that and that just doesn't seem right to me.

To me, the word "fake" implies fraudulent intent. That is, making a revolver appear to be the genuine article in order to bring a much higher price.

I believe I have stated hereabouts also of the use of the word "clone" referring to the Italian Snigle Action Imports.

Seems to me replica would be a better suited term in referring to such guns.


I know, "picky, picky, picky."


Bob Wright

 

[RSIno1]

I agree. Clone infers that it was created from the DNA of the original. It's like a new Shelby or Cobra. They are relying on the history of the original to justify their existence. I get a kick out of the fact that Shelby America and Kirkham both sell the same made in Poland replica Cobra but Shelby charges $20,000 more because it has a little aluminum tag that says Cobra.

 

[Fox Mike]

How about "likeness"?

 

[Kevin]

I would take the term “fake” to mean a non working or non functioning copy of a gun. Like a movie prop.

 

[Bob Wright]

I would take the term “fake” to mean a non working or non functioning copy of a gun. Like a movie prop.

Well, some years ago there was a lot of print in gun periodicals concerning fake Walker Colts. These had shown up at gun shows and were close enough to fool some buyers. Same as now there are fake handbags for women using designer labels fradulently.

Bob Wright

 

[LDM]

I really like the 1858 Remington cartridge conversion he used in "Pale Rider." Original or repro, it was awesome.

 

[Busterswoodshop]

I would say " fake " is something made to deceive.
Copy , clone or reproduction is something made to look original and advertised as such.

 

[blume357]

A lot of stuff in movies is 'fake'... not a problem..... it's fantasy

Now I do have to say that I've never been able to change out cylinders in mine like Clint did... takes me a couple of minutes and on top of that doing it with the caps on could lead to a bad day, let alone carrying one in your pocket loaded with the caps on......

 

[blackhawknj]

"Fake" to me means fraudulent, dishonest, deceitful, "clone" has become overused. "Copy" or "reproduction" are more correct.

 

[toysoldier]

A lot of stuff in movies is 'fake'... not a problem..... it's fantasy

Now I do have to say that I've never been able to change out cylinders in mine like Clint did... takes me a couple of minutes and on top of that doing it with the caps on could lead to a bad day, let alone carrying one in your pocket loaded with the caps on......

The idea of quick-change cylinders comes from applying contemporary practice to the past. While some gunmen may have carried extra, loaded cylinders, rapid exchange would require considerable polishing of parts in the pistol. Firepower was more often achieved by carrying multiple pistols. Bill Anderson's Tigers often carried 3-4 pair.

 

[PinnedAndRecessed]

a movie as "fake."

Oh no! A movie had something that was not 100% historically and scientifically accurate!!?? What shall we do???

(Hollywood. Erasing the history and destroying the morals of a nation for 100 years.)

Now back to our regularly scheduled program.

 

[BlkHawk73]

Nowadays a term gets used enough incorrectly and it becomes "correct" or those you question about it give the "you know what I meant" response. Then turn the page and these same people will be the first to blast the media or politician for using the incorrect terminology.

 

[Fox Mike]

A lot of stuff in movies is 'fake'... not a problem..... it's fantasy

Now I do have to say that I've never been able to change out cylinders in mine like Clint did... takes me a couple of minutes and on top of that doing it with the caps on could lead to a bad day, let alone carrying one in your pocket loaded with the caps on......

No caps on that revolver. It was a cartridge model. Firearms expert and Field Editor Phil Spangenberger tells us: “The gun used in Pale Rider was a New Model 1861 Remington revolver. . . . "

 

[Igor]

How about a revolver that "identifies as" a Walker Colt ?

 

[bobski]

I think it was meant to be artistic license.

 

[Brules]

I agree. Clone infers that it was created from the DNA of the original. It's like a new Shelby or Cobra. They are relying on the history of the original to justify their existence. I get a kick out of the fact that Shelby America and Kirkham both sell the same made in Poland replica Cobra but Shelby charges $20,000 more because it has a little aluminum tag that says Cobra.

I could not agree more with you on the Cobra's. Exact same car but different piece of paper to go with each.

 

[Rick Courtright]

Hi,

Is there a big shortage of dictionaries around here? How about this for starters: https://www.dictionary.com/browse/fake

Click on the links... where one might find "adjective: designed to deceive or cheat; not real; counterfeit." (Emphasis added)

Rick C