Road hunters

volshooter

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My last post reminded me of how many times I have been afield and had road shooters shooting at deer between them and me. Mostly happened in middle/west TN. I suppose some can relate. I have yelled and fired into the ground to let them know someone was there. They always leave....but just sometimes I thought about sending a on target round their way. Butt holes. They are not hunters, just looking to drop bucks to collect heads. One of the reasons I quit hunting the productive part of our state.
 
I would never condone shooting someone in that situation. However, I might attempt to kill a tire or an engine IF they had fired in my direction.

But you are right, poaching, road hunting, etc can truly leave you chaffed!
 
I would never shoot directly at such persons. Perhaps a round or two close? ? We are skilled hunters/ marksmen are we not? Just a thought.
 
Road poaching they are not hunting, many years ago as a game warden those were the ones I was hunting.
 
Interesting topic. Is road hunting illegal in Tennessee? What, to the minds here, defines road hunting? Are those who are doing the shooting aiming at deer? If so, where in juxtaposition are you and the targeted deer? Are they shooting deer out from under you or other hunters? Are they shooting from inside their vehicle?

I ask these questions in all sincerity. Road hunting is legal in California, albeit with rules and regulations. I'm interested in the viewpoints of y'all...

Peace and God bless, Wolfsong.
 
Hmmm... poaching is a misdemeanor - "Shooting back" is absolutely a felonious act, potentially attempted murder. That's a real deal. Even firing a shot in the deliberate direction of another person. Don't do the crime if ya can't do the time...

In AZ, shooting even targets across/over, from, or onto any maintained roadway, paved or not, is a Cl 2. Misdemeanor.
Shooting game animals or protected species from a motor vehicle on or off any roadway is a Cl 1 Misdemeanor. Thats what it used to be, may have changed a bit? Your state may be different.
 
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I know a guy who learn that he should not spotlight deer from the county road when he put a rather large hole through his transmission with a 30-06 that went off in the cab of his pickup
 
Quoted from the OP:
"shooting at deer between them and me."
That seems to be justified returned fire. What if those shots missed the deer, but instead hit you?
Just sayin

Myron
 
The DNR asked a family member about setting up a 'robo deer' on his property a few years ago, posted, private land. The warden was collecting guns at a high rate.

I was just in IL, the warden had a robo deer in his truck. If it gets bad that's an option, ask the DNR about setting up a deer.
 
Only really an issue up here during moose season. I'd gladly pay a bit more if it resulted in additional wardens out catching these lazy, lazy, LAZY poor excuses for hunters.

Then again, to me the tree-sitters fall into my idea of lazy too. Hunt...physically pursue the animal.
 
"They are not hunters, just looking to drop bucks to collect heads."
I question that. Things like that usually happen before season or when deep snow makes finding the big boys easier. There's reason blaze orange is required in many states. Hunters standing in the field are just as likely to "shoot in your direction" as is a "road hunter". Not condoning the road hunting claim but you're certainly on the edge of legality unless you can prove "intent to harm" before returning fire.
On a couple of occasions, I have fired my shotgun in the air to let other bird hunters know I was in the area where their spent shot was falling.
 
I responded to the road hunting laws a bit in the other post by volshooter.

I knew you wouldn't shoot at someone, but as noted, if I got shot at, where the bullet was too close for comfort, I'd think about a self defense "returned fire" that would happen to strike a tire or an engine. Might make the road hunters think a bit before trying it again once they spend $$$$ fixing their vehicle. if approached by an LEO, I would claim I was scared, fearing for my life & fired a quick self defense shot as I was trying to get behind cover. Let the road hunters explain why they were shooting from the road to the LEO.

"Then again, to me the tree-sitters fall into my idea of lazy too. Hunt...physically pursue the animal."
BlkHawk73, I understand your thoughts, but if you were a warden, surely you know that in many places, due to terrain, heavy thickets, swamps, etc, stand hunting is the main way to hunt due to the inability to physically pursue the animals. Add in the safety factor of very limited sight causing some people to shoot at movement in brush, or their mistaking a person for game etc, stand hunting is a viable AND legal safer method of hunting.
I live in just such an area. Steep mountains, thickets & very limited visibility. Trying to stalk a deer in such places is virtually impossible. Add in that many hunters are NOT in the physical shape to hike mountains all over etc, and again, stand hunting is a good option. In places where I can, I LOVE to spot & stalk.

I take gentle offense at being called lazy because I also enjoy stand hunting. Especially when you, as a warden should have been trained in the facts like I've mentioned above. Speak to other state wardens in places like mine & see what they think.
 
At 64 with two bad knees stand hunting is all I can do,if I can get to a good stand. I do wish my wife would let me spring for a Rokon ATV.
 
In Georgia road hunting is illegal as it should be. It is just too dangerous to have people pulling off on the side of the road shooting at any deer they happen to see standing on the side of the road. Do they know what is beyond the tree line. How many homes or people might there be beyond the tree line that they cannot see.

As far as hunting from a stand although there are some folks here that still walk most hunt from a stand. There are enough hills & trees here that it is hard to see very far & as Contender said there are safety issues to consider.
 
BlkHawk73 said:
Only really an issue up here during moose season. I'd gladly pay a bit more if it resulted in additional wardens out catching these lazy, lazy, LAZY poor excuses for hunters.

Then again, to me the tree-sitters fall into my idea of lazy too. Hunt...physically pursue the animal.


IIRC, Maine allows a modified version for roadies - with a game law/rule that stipulates a shooter (I refuse to call them hunters) must step off a PAVED road (dirt roads evidently not included) at least 10' (?) before shooting.


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The "road hunters" I have come across, have been shooting from inside the car at a friends goat herd! Illegal in the state of Tn! On my farm are places so thick you can't see more than 5 feet. I would love an elevated stand there, but no trees, and the metal ones are expensive.
gramps
 
Getting back to the original issue, when we had our farm in Downsville, Louisiana, the dog hunters would congregate with their rifles just a bit out of sight while waiting for the dogs to chase up their deer. Unfortunately, they congregated just across the road from our living room window. Plate glass is small protection from centerfire rifle bullets. (when the deer takes a wrong turn and they get a bit too excited) We are not even going to discuss the horses that were in the barn or the cows and brood mares in our pastures.

Funny thing, I would hop in my pickup and drive around to my back gate and see all the deer I wanted to see in my little woodlot (which was adjacent to a two section plot of land that was fully wooded and lightly hunted)

My point, shooting at folks whether you intend to hit them or not is illegal. However, apparently the road hunters (and dog hunters who hunt exclusively on the roads and right aways) think little of shooting at folks.
 
willk, you are correct. But if I'm being shot at,,, I do NOT know the shooters intentions. My return fire will be to stop them, ( their vehicle,) to allow the law to be called. If they continue to shoot at me, THEN it would be in self defense that I'd shoot at them.
 
Illegal here and at least on this side of the state heavily enforced. I have actually seen a reduction in road sign shooting over the last decade or so as wel. Still some problems but hunting here at least has been taken seriously by most and the rules adhered to.
 
In TN you cannot hunt from a vehicle on any public road. Off roads as well I think. You cannot shoot across a public road or from a public road.
Sooo many times on that lease we would find bucks in the am without heads. Does were shot and left to rot. Middle and west TN have a lot of deer, more than here in the east. They have a unit L season during gun season that legally 4 does a DAY can be taken, (max 3 bucks per season state wide unless on WMA). That's right 4 does a day during gun season. These jokers were not filling their freezers, just shooting.
Yes it made us mad because we paid to lease the land and followed state game rules. We were meat hunters, bucks were bonus.
When I say I am on a field, I mean at least 100yds. in the woods where I can see.
The beat up old white pick up truck that slowly came by every hour or so knew we were in the woods. They did not care and it was not just that vehicle. We had a house on the property with all our trucks parked, they knew we were there.
IF these folk were hunting for needed meat no one in our group would have minded. They were just shooting for fun. We contacted the wild life department and was told they did not have the resources to do anything.

Last note, this group of hunters I was with were all from the same church I attend. Locals did not help our fellowship time. Our preacher was on several trips with us. At least half of our hunting party was over 65 and deacons.

Sorry, last, last note, those poachers were very bad shots. If anyone knows of a place that would like to have church folk hunt/lease let me know, please. Every local church meeting had all of us there, even if it was not our Baptist ways.
 
A different tactic against illegal road hunting. In the cities there are drive by shooting. Folks seem to think this is a bad idea and call the cops.

Just because this is rural and it is deer season does not make drive by shooting legal. (exceptions for some states - possibly). Since this is not legal hunting, then call the Sherrifs office on 911 and report an attempted homicide. Much better if you have a camera that has a picture of the vehicle where the shooting was coming from. If you believe there were shots fired onto your place, then press charges. Not as a hunting violation, but as a drive by attempted homicide (just like in the city).

Masquerading attempted homicide as illegal hunting could be played out in a courtroom. The guys doing this will see jail and legal fees like they never imagined.
 
Interesting strategy. A couple well publicized examples would go a long way in stopping the problem you would think.
 
"Masquerading attempted homicide as illegal hunting could be played out in a courtroom. The guys doing this will see jail and legal fees like they never imagined."

While the idea sounds good, that would be a false police report and that in itself is a crime. Might have to think some on that idea. If the defendant proved he was just hunting your rear end might be in deep doo-doo. Methinks that's not a good idea.
Paul B.
 
" Road hunting is legal in California, albeit with rules and regulations. I'm interested in the viewpoints of y'all..."

Actually, it's not:

Hunting regs say:

"•(a) General Prohibition: No person shall pursue, drive, herd, or take any bird or mammal from any type of motor-driven air or land vehicles, motorboat, airboat, sailboat, or snowmobile. Additionally, no person shall use any motorized, hot-air, or unpowered aircraft or other device capable of flight or any earth orbiting imaging device to locate or assist in locating big game mammals beginning 48 hours before and continuing until 48 hours after any big game hunting season in the same area. No person shall use at any time or place, without Department approval, any computer, telemetry device or other equipment to locate a big game mammal to which a tracking device is attached. For purposes of this subsection "use" includes but is not limited to personal use or intent by another to obtain information from such personal use. Evidence of an act constituting a violation of this section includes but is not limited to flying slowly at low altitudes, hovering, circling or repeatedly flying over any area where big game may be found. Exceptions to this ◦(1) When the motor of such motorboat, airboat, or sailboat has been shut off and/or the sails furled and its progress therefrom has ceased, and it is drifting, beached, moored, resting at anchor, or is being propelled by paddle, oar or pole.
◦(2) When used by the landowner or tenant of private property to drive or herd game mammals for the purpose of preventing damage to private property.
◦(3) Pursuant to a license from the department issued under such regulations as the commission may prescribe (see subsection 251(b) below). "

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§354. Archery Equipment and Crossbow Regulations.
e) No arrow or crossbow bolt may be released from a bow or crossbow upon or across any highway, road or other way open to vehicular traffic."

Penal code says (From the DOJ website):

"However, as with any firearm,
nonconcealable firearms must be unloaded while they are being transported"

"The prohibition from carrying a concealed handgun does not apply to licensed hunters or fishermen while engaged in hunting or fishing, or while going to or returning from the hunting expedition (Pen Code, § 25640 ) Notwithstanding this exception for hunters or fishermen, these individuals may not carry or transport loaded firearms when going to or from the expedition The unloaded firearms should be transported in the trunk of the vehicle or in a locked container other than the utility or glove compartment (Pen Code, § 25610 )"

"It is illegal to carry a loaded firearm on one’s person or in a vehicle while in any public place, on any public street, or in any place where it is unlawful to discharge a firearm (Pen Code, § 25850, subd (a) )
It is illegal for the driver of any motor vehicle, or the owner of any motor vehicle irrespective of whether the owner is occupying the vehicle to knowingly permit any person to carry a loaded firearm into the vehicle in violation of Penal Code section 25850, or Fish and Game Code section 2006 (Pen Code, § 26100 )
A firearm is deemed loaded when there is a live cartridge or shell in, or attached in any manner to, the firearm, including, but not limited to, the firing chamber, magazine, or clip thereof attached to the firearm A muzzle-loading firearm is deemed loaded when it is capped or primed and has a powder charge and ball or shot in the barrel or cylinder (Pen Code, § 16840 )"


"It is illegal for any person to willfully and maliciously discharge a firearm from a
motor vehicle A driver or owner of a vehicle who allows any person to discharge
a firearm from the vehicle may be punished by up to three years imprisonment
in state prison (Pen Code, § 26100 )"

Also:

"PC374(c)
Every person who shoots any firearm from or upon a public
road or highway is guilty of a misdemeanor."

"3004. (a) It is unlawful for any person, other than the owner,
person in possession of the premises, or a person having the express
permission of the owner or person in possession of the premises, to
hunt or to discharge while hunting, any firearm or other deadly
weapon within 150 yards of any occupied dwelling house, residence, or
other building or any barn or other outbuilding used in connection
therewith. The 150-yard area is a "safety zone."
(b) It is unlawful for any person to intentionally discharge any
firearm or release any arrow or crossbow bolt over or across any
public road or way open to the public, in an unsafe manner."


and Forest Service (Federal Regs):

d) Discharging a firearm or any other implement capable of taking human life, causing injury, or damaging property as follows:...

Across or on a National Forest System road or a body of water adjacent thereto, or in any manner or place whereby any person or property is exposed to injury or damage as a result in such discharge."
 
For a couple of you who "might shoot in their direction", that would make you no better, or smarter than them, and you would be doing something just as stupid as what they did. Find the rationale in that.
 
I have to disagree. Shooting into the ground towards them, lets them know where we were at. It is easy to tell if a shot was toward or away from your direction. It does not bring us down to their level.
 
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