When I purchased the powder I'd never loaded Red Dot. My first loads were 38 Special, 158 grain SWC with 3 grains of Promo. It shot very good. From there I loaded 45 ACP for my BH. Now I'm loading 9MM. So Promo will keep me shooting my small cases. Next up is "The Load" for my 30-06, 13 grains of Red Dot. If that works I want to do some load work in my 45-70. Not bad for 72.00/8lb.