Pope Francis is dead

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I think it was in the Novel "Still Life with Woodpecker" by Tom Robbins that I read one of the most profound statements ever, at least for me. I have it printed and posted on my wall.

"Ideas are Created by Masters, Dogma by Disciples "

There in itself lies the problem with any religion. I strive to live by the teachings of Christ but not by how most Christian religions now interpret or practice them.

Oh, and I hope this late pope is resting peacefully with his God.

The one issue I do have with his passing is lowering the American Flag to half staff. I think this should only be done for Americans.
 
I was raised strict Catholic. My Mother was a extremely devout Catholic and my Father well, my Father survived England as a kid during the Blitz, came to the USA (legally) and became a Army Ranger. My upbringing was a very disciplined one to say the least. My Father passed a couple years ago. He would have shown little interest in the Popes passing. My Mother passed this past OCT. She would have watched every bit of media coverage and wait on the white or black smoke to appear.

Me? well I married a Mormon when in the Navy. Then the Mormon and I divorced. Double whammy on the Catholic card.

However....Would love to get a "real" tour of the Vatican's armories (not what History channel showed) and a glimpse into the training. Not just the EP stuff but all things from PS to TR procedures.
Would you like to try on the uniforms? They are , however, marginally better than those Greek ceremonial guard uniforms.
I am a converted Catholic. My wife was born, raised and educated in it. I enjoy the pomp, circumstance and ceremony of the Church, but I don’t really think their message is any better than any other. May Pope Francis rest in peace.
 
Would you like to try on the uniforms? They are , however, marginally better than those Greek ceremonial guard uniforms.
I am a converted Catholic. My wife was born, raised and educated in it. I enjoy the pomp, circumstance and ceremony of the Church, but I don't really think their message is any better than any other. May Pope Francis rest in peace.

Do they come in XXXXL? The stuff I'm interested in seeing doesn't involve folks in uniform for the most part ;)

A older friend of mine began going to Sunday mass with his Wife awhile back. He despised the idea for years. I asked why the change? He told me the Doc told him to get more exercise on the weekends aside from doing excessive sets of 12oz arm curls......if one has ever been to a Catholic mass you know it is similar to low speed calisthenics....sit, stand, kneel, sit stand, left foot in, left foot out and shake it all about.....he calls it his Sunday morning Hokey Pokey and says he's exhausted by the time it ends. The message he said he received was to stretch before and after mass.
 
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I know and not to put her down but I don't think we should have lowered it for her either....
Hell, our ships don't lower their flag for anyone.....at least the last time I checked.
The Navy has been known to "dip" the flag now and again, but they don't sail around for a month with the flag hanging low in the halyards for just any Tom, Dick or Harry.
 
Not sure if this should be in the political section or not.
The Pope died early this morning at 88 years of age. I'm not a Catholic but my wife is a very devout one as are her dad and one of her brothers.
The Pope was a man of God. If making sport of him is your idea of being funny, you should pray better
 
Do they come in XXXXL? The stuff I'm interested in seeing doesn't involve folks in uniform for the most part ;)

A older friend of mine began going to Sunday mass with his Wife awhile back. He despised the idea for years. I asked why the change? He told me the Doc told him to get more exercise on the weekends aside from doing excessive sets of 12oz arm curls......if one has ever been to a Catholic mass you know it is similar to low speed calisthenics....sit, stand, kneel, sit stand, left foot in, left foot out and shake it all about.....he calls it his Sunday morning Hokey Pokey and says he's exhausted by the time it ends. The message he said he received was to stretch before and after mass.
Do not forget the wallet stretch of emptying it into the basket they force down the pews a few times per session.
 
I am a Christian. I don't know where this pope got his message from but I seriously doubt it was from God.
He was only a man, who worked his way up thru the system, and when the committee needed a man that they could all agree on, thats who he was. Investiture by committee. Hundreds of years oId. Their whole world now awaits a puff of white smoke, then they will have a new one to listen to or ignore as is their wont.
 
He was only a man, who worked his way up thru the system, and when the committee needed a man that they could all agree on, thats who he was. Investiture by committee. Hundreds of years oId. Their whole world now awaits a puff of white smoke, then they will have a new one to listen to or ignore as is their wont.
The whole world is not waiting. I for one couldn't care less. I do not need an emissary between myself and my God, that was taken care of a long time ago.
 
I'm not a believer, but I think that overall religion has contributed more good to humanity than it has done evil, even if sometimes this is a close call. Our moral codes, and to some degree, our legal perspective is an outgrowth of the Judeo-Christian theology that generated the Western world. Personally I find it amusing that some people think of the Creator, if there is one, as aware of and involved in the lives of billions of human beings living on this little speck of a planet on the edge of a non-special galaxy in a universe of unimaginable size, and many of these same people think that there is a singular entity that they call Satan that consciously tries to influence people to do evil things.

That said, I see the Catholic church as one that has tried for two thousand years to make sense of the unknowable, and to codify what some see as the way humans should behave and see reality. Through clearly imperfect means a leader is chosen for that church, and whether we agree with that person or not he has a degree of influence over what happens on this little planet. To that extent, I hope that the group of Cardinals that has the power to chose the Catholic Pope pick someone who will at least temporarily make the life of part of humanity a bit better.
 
I'm not a believer, but I think that overall religion has contributed more good to humanity than it has done evil, even if sometimes this is a close call. Our moral codes, and to some degree, our legal perspective is an outgrowth of the Judeo-Christian theology that generated the Western world. Personally I find it amusing that some people think of the Creator, if there is one, as aware of and involved in the lives of billions of human beings living on this little speck of a planet on the edge of a non-special galaxy in a universe of unimaginable size, and many of these same people think that there is a singular entity that they call Satan that consciously tries to influence people to do evil things.
Yes, the cardinals have a good chance of pulling a waitaminit, yeah, those other cardinals. Good luck to them, too.
 
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