Never flew a sailplane...always wanted to...What a video

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This is long...I've looked at many of this guy's videos...Just up for a little "tour" from Salt Lake to Pocatello, Idaho..."wave soaring" the mountains...amazing stuff.

https://youtu.be/BFRG1OTJcpc
 
I remember when it was Cadillac (I think) that had a TV advertisement about how quiet their cars were and showed a sailplane in their ad. In the mid-sixties I got a chance to go up in a Schwitzer 2-33 and found out that Caddys could be pretty noisy without being louder than a sailplane. Whistles, creaks and rattles were aplenty once that old machine was towed up. Even after it dropped the towline it sure wasn't all that quiet. A real surprise to me.
 
Sailplane flying is a DIFFERENT experience. I've done it one time, and that was in England way back in the mid 50s, and loved it. Never got to do it again, though I would like to. Harford County Airport (0W3) used to offer sailplane instruction and rides but has since ceased that service.
 
We were driving by the Air Force Academy near Colorado Springs and they had a glider port right near the highway...I guess the basic training at the Academy was gliders ...they had a bunch of them that were just doing basic manuvers near the glider field..they would fly off to the west and ridge soar for a while and return..interesting to watch..

I'm one of the "I'll take an engine" people too but found the video's facinating....I got a feeling the "mistake rate" in the learning curve might be fairly high with gliders.
 
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I have never flown a glider but a friend of mine got into it for awhile. This was in the Owens Valley area of California on the lee side of the Sierra Nevada and has some of the best glider flying conditions in the world (this is where the glider altitude record flights are flown). He gave it up, telling me that it was got boring and mainly became a bladder holding event.
 
Sort of like the difference between sailing and power boating...I've spend a ton of time offshore fishing...got friends that are sailors...I took them up on an offer to sail from San Diego to Catalina and back over several days....never again....I looked at the video and was really impressed but couldn't help but thinking of the several hours of just drifting along...I'm just to "giddy up" to do that..sure is purdy though.
 
Yep Soring is a lot like sailing, hiking, and a lot of other snail pace stuff. YOU SEE the same scenery for a LONG time :D

My first flying lesson was in a glider in 1964. You could rent the glider or a J-3 Cub for $6.50 Hr. the Delta pilot did the instruction for free. Well I went for the Cub :wink:
 
A little "off topic" but a couple of years ago we went to the Grand Canyon...we had both seen it many times in the past but one thing was really "visable" this last trip...we sat along the South rim just watching people....it was like they were at a swap meet rushing from one spot to another...it was like the canyon would change if they didn't rush to a "viewing spot"..view and then move on quickly to the next...maybe it's just the current "get there" mentality...I don't like to just sort of dawdle along like on a sail boat but I do enjoy the scenery...

I had a little time in a J3 back in the 50's where I worked at a small airport and swapped my sweeping up for time...think it worked out to about $5 an hour...since we were talking about the glider...the guy that was the instructor at the little field in Fort Collins, Colorado would take the J3 up and as I recall he'd cut the engine and "soar" the mountains along the eastern slope of the rockies...I never went with him but as I recall he said he'd stall the prop and just ride the wind like a glider...not sure if it was chatter or what he really did...sounded good anyway.
 
I have to admit that I am in the same situation. Something I wanted to do ever since I saw the original Thomas Crown affair with the great glider scenes. I never did it and I am far too old to try now. My good reflexes and ability to withstand possible hard landings no longer exist. My balance and eye hand coordination is still OK, but not of the level to start learning to fly a glider.

It is still a marvelous dream, and I recommend watching or rewatching the original Thomas Crown affair for those who can only dream of such a flight.
 
finesse_r said:
I have to admit that I am in the same situation. Something I wanted to do ever since I saw the original Thomas Crown affair with the great glider scenes. I never did it and I am far too old to try now. My good reflexes and ability to withstand possible hard landings no longer exist. My balance and eye hand coordination is still OK, but not of the level to start learning to fly a glider.

It is still a marvelous dream, and I recommend watching or rewatching the original Thomas Crown affair for those who can only dream of such a flight.

Well,
Let me say this about your situation. I don't know you or your ability. So let me just say DO NOT EVER LET YOUR DREAMS DIE. There are a lot of pilots out there that think they are or have to be Super Man to fly. That is BS and it is no big deal.
A glider license does not require a Medical. If you can still drive a car you can fly. Don't even start with that "My balance and eye hand coordination is still OK, but not of the level to start learning to fly a glider". That is BS. I'm 73 with one eye and can out fly a bunch of the young guys.

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Several other thoughts on becoming a pilot; reasonable physical coordination is required but nothing exceptional. What counts the most is the grey matter between your ears.

There is a lot of ground school material you must learn, and I mean really learn as your life can depend on that knowledge. Meteorology is especially important, getting in over your head in bad weather can drastically shorten your flying days.

You must be confident in your ability to remain calm and think clearly in any emergency situation. People who tend to freeze or get overly emotional in bad situations should not take up flying.
 
Wyandot Jim said:
My first flying lesson was in a glider in 1964. You could rent the glider or a J-3 Cub for $6.50 Hr. the Delta pilot did the instruction for free. Well I went for the Cub :wink:
Looked at your cost of the first lesson and then looked at what it costs now. Check this out. This is at 0W3.
Training and Cost of Private Pilot Program

The following description meets the minimum standards set forth by the Federal Aviation Administration for FAR Part 61 schools, such as ours. These prices are subject to change and are determined on your ability and frequency of flight lessons.

$5820 - Thirty hours dual instruction in Cessna 172
$1579 - Ten hours solo flight in Cessna 172 Aircraft
$225 - Necessary books and equipment
$120 - Medical exam fee for Third Class Medical
$165 - FAA Written Test
$450 - Ten hours of Ground School with an FAA Licensed Instructor
$400 - Private Pilot Check Ride Examiner’s Fee
$472 - Aircraft for Check Ride
$9231 - Total

** Please note that the above are the FAA minimum required times. The national average total time runs about 65-70 hours. This is determined by your ability and frequency of flight lessons.


 
One of the things that comes to mind is the dramatic change in technology that has evolved since my days of flying in business and for fun...I do have issues that keep me on the ground....one lung, asthma and serious COPD keep me at an altitude of less than 2000 feet...oxygen is not the issue..anyhow...I flew most of my time in days before GPS..before termimal control areas, before lots of the technology that has come to pass...I sort of relate it to my many years of offshore sport fishing...my boat in the 60's had a compass, an AM radio and an egg timer mounted on the dash to mark time on a particular leg...wandering around in the fog miles offshore could be a challenge. I watch guys (and gals) today that spend as much on electronics as they do the boat almost and can absolutly navigate anywhere in the world without difficulty..only problem is if something breaks or batteries go dead and they are left with dead reckoning which leaves most of them out on a limb.

My flying days were days of the VOR, no GPS, simple radio , etc.....I was looking at the chart plotter GPS on the sailplane and watched him mention to his buddy that "I've got Logan made"...the GPS was tracking and walking him along every step and predicting his position and duration of glide...pretty amazing...but on the other hand...if he has some "issue" he'd better know where he is and have the experience to deal with it..the guy looks like a veteran and experienced glider pilot...I'm not a particularly high time pilot...low time by many standards but in the period of time I flew I had an engine out, lost all radio transmission and receiving capabilities and had lots of "cold front" rolling weather situations flying into places like Raton Pass from Albuquerque...I was told many years ago that within the first 100 hours of getting my license I'd be tested with the things I'd learned and would have the opportunity to save my life or die or be injured if I "failed the test"....I don't scare easily but did have occasion to be reduced to the sweats and concerns. My "issues" mostly came well after the first 100 hours and I'm glad for all the hours of practice and "learning" I did..probably made my flying a pleasure and not a tragedy...

My old airplane is in pieces in some airplane junk yard now...the instructor with a student doing instrument cross country had an engine out and put it into some trees..the trees and the instructor's capability to stay calm probably saved their lives as he had no where else to go...hard lesson to learn.

I have a friend that runs an FBO at one of the fields in San Diego county...he told me he is amazed at how many "money people" want to go buy a high dollar complex aircraft to learn in....and how unwilling they often are to do the necessary "book learning" to back up the electronics...When he does cross country work with someone that is not "willing" to do the work....his "final" exam is often to cover or power down the electronics, hand them a sectional and tell them to figure their position and how to get to "point b" or whatever...and then the panic sets in...and they frequently fire him and go get another instructor which ..according to my friend..is fine with him as he's not taking the responsibility of having someone become a gauge watcher with no mental back up.
 
Yep this is why General Aviation is going down the toilet for the avg. Guy.
For something that is dear to my heart and I could never afford it is a real shame.

John if all you want to be is a Sport Pilot all that other stuff you mention is not required. Go out on a sunny day around your home and have a GREAT time. Like I said you don't need to be Superman. Yea at one time I was :D :D :D
 
I have two experiences with sailplanes.

The first happened on an airbase in SoCal. We got a call "Unknown type fighter, NORDO (no radio) on final. Out we went in the big red trucks. As I approached the taxiway I was to set up on, the tower called that it was on said taxiway.

Now we had been looking up for the fighter. I looked down, slammed on the brakes and stopped a foot or two shy or one scared looking pilot. I can't imagine what he was thinking. Oh, the pilot was lost, he thought he was at the airport in Apple Valley (maybe he was going to visit Roy).

In his defense both the base and the airport had runways with a common number I think it was 23. But, you would have thought all those camouflaged Phantoms would have been a clue.

The other was some twenty years later. A fellow I worked with went up with a friend. They came down hard and both died.
 
Opos, that was a great post. I learned to fly in 1967 and went through the whole process in 3 months thinking that a little at a time was not the best way to do it.

Flying from China Lake, CA to Las Vegas would take you out of all radio and Omni communications. I once even had to navigate to an airport that used the old "riding the beam" method. Now, even OMNI is fading away due to GPS. My instructor was old school and even taught me spins and emergency no power landing practice all the to the ground on a desert road.

I once took a check flight down in San Diego from a lady instructor. She was the smoothest pilot I ever flew with. Is those days the gal pilots were still banned from commercial aviation. In that one flight I realized that FAA rule was total BS.

Jim, You are absolutely right, I forgot about the sport pilot thing. I would add that if someone is just going after a bucket list, it would cost much less to just so far as to do a solo flight. I'll wager that no pilot will ever forget that first solo as one of their all time great lifetime experiences.
 
Flew when I could afford it and was young. Now can't for medical reasons and money reasons. However, one of the truly great memories of my life was flying a sailplanes in a thermals with a hawks. Love sailing and love sailplanes.

In the end, you either get it or you don't. If you don't you are truly missing one of the life's great experiences.
 
I dont know if my late uncle would be fond of gliders. He was in one on D-day and just he and one other guy out of 14 lived through it.
 
You don't have to have any paper to fly an ultralight. True, they're not much good for going anywhere but they are a lot of fun to fly. I built one in 1984, a Fisher which was an all wood and fabric low wing powered by a 277 28hp Rotax one lunger. It was lots of fun. Like any legal ultralight it was a single place, 63mph max in level flight and weighed about 250lbs empty. I owned a Mooney Exec at the time which was what I used for going places but the ultralight was a heck of a lot more fun for sheer flying pleasure.
Paragliding and hang gliding are also a lot of fun and don't require any permission from the government. There's a lot of paragliding here in Southern Oregon. Flight times are limited mostly to a person's endurance. With the mountains and warm summer weather those folks are actually soaring, not gliding.
There are ways to get into the air for some of the most sublime experiences you can imagine and all of them aren't highly expensive or controlled by the feds.
 
As far as quiet as a sailplane. Well that isn't very quiet. And quiet isn't good. In fact when it gets quiet in a sailplane that is time to BECOME VERY concerned. The noise you want to be hearing is the noise of the air rushing by. No noise means no air rushing by, no air rushing by means no lift, no lift means that you are going DOWN :o
 
Willk, The sound level is relative. Once, out in the middle of nowhere at 10,000 feet in Nevada, my Cessna 177 became very quiet when the engine quit. :)
 
When a Cessna's engine quits (fortunately in my case only as a demonstration) things do seem very, very (too) quiet when you really want them to be very loud
 
willk said:
As far as quiet as a sailplane. Well that isn't very quiet. And quiet isn't good. In fact when it gets quiet in a sailplane that is time to BECOME VERY concerned. The noise you want to be hearing is the noise of the air rushing by. No noise means no air rushing by, no air rushing by means no lift, no lift means that you are going DOWN :o
At which point you WILL start to hear the air rushing by...for a short period of time anyway.
 
SAJohn said:
Jeepnix, Any chance that was China Lake, we once had the same thing happen there.

No, it was at George AFB. We had several "lost" pilots of small planes land there. A few landed between the Phantoms and Thuds. Sky cops were not at all friendly to them. They usually had to sit in a cell for a bit while things were "straighten out".

Had one come in with engine trouble. Now that was a freebie, if you have problems you land anywhere it's safe. But the pilot was really upset that he wasn't allowed to have a mechanic come fix his plane so he could fly it out. They had to truck it out.
 
The area around George AFB was familiar to me. Lockheed bought that old world war two training strip at Helendale and I had landed there a number of times when it still was abandoned. There was another one like it at Greybuttes and I spent time at each. Then there was a glider strip south of El Mirage and my plane was a glider tow there before I bought it. Kitty O`neil did some rocket car test runs on El Mirage dry lake and her outfit "Stunts unlimited" had me fly a photographer from Wild World of sports to film her from the air. Poncho Barns son gave me my pilot license and I seen her around at Fox Field in Lancaster. There was a field at Quartz Hill where I kept my planes but it disappeared to house development. I flew some out of Victorville, Apple valley, Phelon, Tehatchipi and California City. If you liked planes it was a good area.
 

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