My Grandpop

caryc

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Was looking for something the other day and came across this. It's the only picture of my Granpop, my Dad's father. He came over here legally from Poland by himself. He could speak no English and had $12.60 in his pocket. He worked hard and when he died he had his bar (A two story building with the bar and kitchen downstairs and a complete three bedroom living space on the second floor.

Grandpop is tending bar in the picture. Notice that there are no bar stools. He always said that if a man can't stand up and drink, he should get out of the bar and go home to the wife and kids. He started the business as a candy store and small deli. Eventually he turned it into the bar. Notice that there are no women in the picture. He would not let women into his bar. He would however serve them in his back room set up with tables. He died in 1961 and right up to that day, the bar had no stools and no women. My Dad flew back there from Calif when he took to his bed, ill. My Dad had one sister and one brother. They settled things between them. My uncle got the bar and property and my Dad and his sister shared the contents of the big safe in his back room. A couple months before Grandpop died there was a big article in the local newspaper about him throwing a woman (bodily) out of his bar when she wouldn't leave. That was back in the days before everyone became sue crazy.

Anyway shortly after Grandpop died, Uncle Ray put bar stools and tables in the bar area. Maybe five years or so later, Uncle Ray sold the liquor license for over a quarter of a million. I guess he sold the property with it. It was a big corner property in a business area. When my Dad and Aunt shared the contents of the safe, it was a large chunk of money, some of it so old that it was in gold notes. Believe it or not, he didn't even own or want a car. He became good friends with all his customers so anytime he needed a ride he had his friends and the three kids.

I think ol' Grandpop did pretty good for himself.

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Ale-8(1) said:
Looks like a well-stocked establishment. Did he sell bottles, or just by-the-drink?

Where was this place, in general?

This was Trenton New Jersey. That picture was probably in the very early 50's. He had a very well stocked basement of liquor. I remember being with my Dad when he did Grandpop's annual, or was it semi annual, inventory. Every Christmas Grandpop would give me and my sister each an envelope with $12.60 in it. There was always a silver dollar like he had in his pocket when landing in America. I guess he did sell bottles to take out.
 
I love it.

Your GrandPop did things the way ALL immigrants SHOULD do. Came here legally, worked hard to become an American,, WITHOUT all the government freebies. And gee whiz,, he was successful, because of his principals. I LIKE stories like this.
And to have a picture to capture it,, PRICELESS!
 
I often wonder what that place is worth today. It was a big two story brick building on a corner. I remember that the lot that it sat on was so big that to the right of the building, on his property, their was a great big billboard sign. I guess he made money off that thing also.
 
I find it interesting that he did not let women in the bar section.
When I was working in Montreal Canada in 1970 they had Taverns no woman allowed. They also had Pubs which women were allowed into along with the men and kids. It was a family atmosphere. The Taverns were great you could enjoy the great cheap food along with a beer for lunch and dinner. It really didn't mater how you were dressed or how you spoke. Sometimes the Pubs were above the Taverns. I thought this worked out great.
I don't know if it is still the same.
 
Wyandot Jim said:
I find it interesting that he did not let women in the bar section.
When I was working in Montreal Canada in 1970 they had Taverns no woman allowed. They also had Pubs which women were allowed into along with the men and kids. It was a family atmosphere. The Taverns were great you could enjoy the great cheap food along with a beer for lunch and dinner. It really didn't mater how you were dressed or how you spoke. Sometimes the Pubs were above the Taverns. I thought this worked out great.
I don't know if it is still the same.

I doubt if you'll find any bar in the US that doesn't let women in. Even the Boy Scouts can't keep girls out. We can thank women's lib and lawyers for that.
 
caryc said:
Wyandot Jim said:
I find it interesting that he did not let women in the bar section.
When I was working in Montreal Canada in 1970 they had Taverns no woman allowed. They also had Pubs which women were allowed into along with the men and kids. It was a family atmosphere. The Taverns were great you could enjoy the great cheap food along with a beer for lunch and dinner. It really didn't mater how you were dressed or how you spoke. Sometimes the Pubs were above the Taverns. I thought this worked out great.
I don't know if it is still the same.

I doubt if you'll find any bar in the US that doesn't let women in. Even the Boy Scouts can't keep girls out. We can thank women's lib and lawyers for that.

Actually it was the gay community that wanted gay scouts and scout leaders. Now part of the Scout oath "To keep ones self morally straight" is now not used.
 
jpickar said:
caryc said:
Wyandot Jim said:
I find it interesting that he did not let women in the bar section.
When I was working in Montreal Canada in 1970 they had Taverns no woman allowed. They also had Pubs which women were allowed into along with the men and kids. It was a family atmosphere. The Taverns were great you could enjoy the great cheap food along with a beer for lunch and dinner. It really didn't mater how you were dressed or how you spoke. Sometimes the Pubs were above the Taverns. I thought this worked out great.
I don't know if it is still the same.

I doubt if you'll find any bar in the US that doesn't let women in. Even the Boy Scouts can't keep girls out. We can thank women's lib and lawyers for that.

Actually it was the gay community that wanted gay scouts and scout leaders. Now part of the Scout oath "To keep ones self morally straight" is now not used.

It doesn't matter who it was, the fact is that they caved.
 
jpickar said:
I doubt if you'll find any bar in the US that doesn't let women in. Even the Boy Scouts can't keep girls out. We can thank women's lib and lawyers for that.

Actually it was the gay community that wanted gay scouts and scout leaders. Now part of the Scout oath "To keep ones self morally straight" is now not used.[/quote]


I have done a search and find no reference to the Scouts deleting "morally straight" from the Scout Oath. Their definition of the expression is . . .

"To be a person of strong character, your relationships with others should be honest and open. You should respect and defend the rights of all people. Be clean in your speech and actions, and remain faithful in your religious beliefs. The values you practice as a Scout will help you shape a life of virtue and self-reliance."

There's considerable flack concerning the admission of "othergendered" kids, but the Oath remains intact.

Sorry, Cary, for the diversion from your thread, but I couldn't let that comment stand.
 
Ale-8(1) said:
jpickar said:
I doubt if you'll find any bar in the US that doesn't let women in. Even the Boy Scouts can't keep girls out. We can thank women's lib and lawyers for that.

Actually it was the gay community that wanted gay scouts and scout leaders. Now part of the Scout oath "To keep ones self morally straight" is now not used.


I have done a search and find no reference to the Scouts deleting "morally straight" from the Scout Oath. Their definition of the expression is . . .

"To be a person of strong character, your relationships with others should be honest and open. You should respect and defend the rights of all people. Be clean in your speech and actions, and remain faithful in your religious beliefs. The values you practice as a Scout will help you shape a life of virtue and self-reliance."

There's considerable flack concerning the admission of "othergendered" kids, but the Oath remains intact.

Sorry, Cary, for the diversion from your thread, but I couldn't let that comment stand.[/quote]

As I said, THEY CAVED !!
 
caryc said:
Even the Boy Scouts can't keep girls out. We can thank women's lib and lawyers for that.
You can thank Boy Scouts own upper management for that bone headed move. All in an effort to increase membership numbers - and their income.
Family pictures are a treasure. I only have one of my dads grandfather - holding him as a baby. He eloped from Canada with his girlfriend to Detroit in 1870. He was Presbyterian and she from a very Catholic family. They settled in Midland MI and he owned a big boarding house and ran the barns and wagons for the general store. Pretty good for a guy who is listed on the census as not being able to read or write.
 
Cary, a decent photo lab should be able t o copy and restore, then duplicate that picture for you. Even get copies for all your kith and kin. Great story. My grands came over as well. Dad's mom ran a grocery in East Chicago, carrying the neighborhood families through the Depression. For years aft e r, the ladies would add a quarter or so when they paid their bill to pay her back.
 
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