Home Defense

[ex13F]

 

[rcs9250]

Hopefully this isn’t a duplication of a post I added earlier.
Winchester SXP 12ga with #4BK.
And that’s only if I have to use it before cops arrive. They get their lawyer for free, I have to pay for mine. Everyone knows in my house, if they’re able, to grab their car keys and run out the door and then set off the PANIC button on the remote so the cars horn is blasting away. They can have a neighbor call PD.

 

[CD2]

Family member's job dealt with troublemakers.
Consequently threats of murder (shot, stabbed, burned).
Thankfully nothing ever happened.

My pick is shotgun, rifle and handgun LOL

 

[CD2]

My 12 ga riot gun (inertia auto) is FAST but man it rocks ya.

Single shot or double? Heck no.
As for speed, I'm dang fast w a pump, and never short shuck.

My hunting bud fumbles his pump when we dove hunt.

Some folks got it, some don't LOL

 

[Joe Chartreuse]

Same as it's been since the 70's. 20 ga Franchise model 48. 19" barrel. My wife likes the 20 12's not so much. It's a semiautomatic.

As to corners, I was taught not to hold tight on corners. But instead move back and slowly check around the corner in pie shaped sections. Minimizes your exposure. So barrel length isn't and issue.

And if my family is in danger collateral damage to my house and contents is my last consideration.

I'm not going to be one bit concerned about any legal issues arising from the incident. Plenty of time and lawyers for that "after" the shooting stops.

As always ( This I learned in regard to hand-to-hand, but it works here too.) Better to be tried by 12 than carried by 8

 

[WanderLust]

Many moons ago I read of testing to see how many 2x4 walls with drywall would be penetrated at about 12’, if I recall correctly. I cannot remember the shotgun used, or exact details of the loads. Seems like it was a 12 gauge in 2-3/4” or 3” shells. But they did like #6 & #8 shot best, as they would penetrate about 3 layers of drywall (body sides of one wall, into a 3rd layer) before stopping. Anyone inside that room would be down for the count, next room is wounded but not badly. That helps with over-penetration worries.
Next, I knew cops that had Benelli’s and loved them. The departments made them go back to pumps, as they said that racking the slide did more for ‘crowd control’ than any amount of ammo ever could. That goes for crowds of one entering a home illegally. Never met anyone who advanced on a loaded shotgun, but have seen several who charged at a handgun. The writers advice, at the end, was to set up on one room and wait for the intruder to come to them, if conditions permit. They started with a shotgun, but had a handgun on their side.
Another article at that time had two men in 10 different houses. 1 man would be holed up in each style of house, at night while the ‘bad guy’ would attempt to enter and overcome the ‘good guy’. The bad guy did not know the layouts in advance, but they were fairly common designs. At first, the good guy would advance towards the noise, but the bad guy would win each time. There were rules about scoring, and the ‘bad guy’ was declared the winner in all 10 tries. He would enter and wait for the occupant to make a mistake. Real life scenario? Not so much, but it’s an eye-opener.

 

[Jeepnik]

I'd like to address racking a shotgun. The myth that it freezes bad guys in their tracks may have some validity. On the other hand it, like a weapon light tells said bad guy where you are.

I prefer my semiautomatic Franchi. If someone breaks in, especially now that it's just my wife and I, I am not going looking for them. Nothing in the house is so valuable it can't be replaced except wife and I.

My plan is simple. Call 911 (more for legal protection than anything) even though I know response time is likely to be an hour or so, after they finally take my call. Then set up in the most advantageous position possible and wait. Bad guy goes away fine. But enter into the area we occupy and threaten us, all bets are off.

What I am not going to do is sit there with my head directly behind a blazing light. I am not going to yell out that I'm armed, thus revealing my location.

I'm a lifelong hunter of both predators and prey animals. My question is this. If you are hunting from a blind, are you going to light up the world and yell "yahoo, Mr coyote, I am over here"?

 

[jkingrph]

First, show them where that half gallon of fine Kentucky Single Barrel is and tell them to drink as much as they want. When they're passed out, put a .22mag in their head.

Sorry that won't fly, Legally it would be murder.

 

[jkingrph]

Start with the fact any firearm fired in your house can be destructive. A center fire handgun would be best but is the hardest to master. So, for this let's say the 870 in 12ga is the only choice for this discussion. I believe 00 buck is the best man stopper at up to about 15 yds. that's what I will use.
Remember there are 100s of different 12ga ammo available to you/him. Starting at non-lethal ammo like bean bags, many different types of bird shot, several different types of buck shot and then slugs. The shooter can choose to load a bean bag as the 1st shot or bird shot, backed up by buck shot. Leave the slugs for outdoor use. That's just 1 way different ammo can be used.
None of this talk will be any good unless he trains and practices firing and reloading the shotgun. I hope the barrel is 18 or 20 inch long and he has a side saddle to load more ammo into the gun. A full-size hunting shotgun will not be useful walking around inside a house ready to fire. If that's what he thinks he might do. It MIGHT be fine if standing your ground and letting the thugs come to you, while awaiting behind cover.
The last thing I would ever consider is destructive affects in my house while I am saving my life. I do consider over penetration of any ammo fired. Our homes, family members and neighborhood all play into those choices. Myself, I now live alone, in a large 2 story home. I am highly trained and skilled. I have a choice of different handguns for inside home defense. The 12ga is for outside defense as is several carbines or full-size rifles.

Anything out of a 12gauge up to your 15 yards is going to be a good man stopper.

 

[kmoore]

I'd like to address racking a shotgun. The myth that it freezes bad guys in their tracks may have some validity. On the other hand it, like a weapon light tells said bad guy where you are.

I prefer my semiautomatic Franchi. If someone breaks in, especially now that it's just my wife and I, I am not going looking for them. Nothing in the house is so valuable it can't be replaced except wife and I.

My plan is simple. Call 911 (more for legal protection than anything) even though I know response time is likely to be an hour or so, after they finally take my call. Then set up in the most advantageous position possible and wait. Bad guy goes away fine. But enter into the area we occupy and threaten us, all bets are off.

What I am not going to do is sit there with my head directly behind a blazing light. I am not going to yell out that I'm armed, thus revealing my location.

I'm a lifelong hunter of both predators and prey animals. My question is this. If you are hunting from a blind, are you going to light up the world and yell "yahoo, Mr coyote, I am over here"?

Good answer and comments. Racking a shotgun, YEP did it many times, standard protocol in some situations. It's never meant to do within hear shot of the possible target. It's another TV/Movie myth, looks coolio on the screen in your home it's likely to start gun fire directed at the sound. Yeah it may make the intruder flee. It's not a gamble I will take.
I spent most of my life being the hunter, the person who has to find the bad guy sometimes knowing the threat was armed. Guess what, at home I can wait/hide and prepare. Let the thug come to me. I agree 100% if the intruder leaves before we met, great, maybe the best outcome. Let the police do their job. I live alone, that helps as in no one else to protect.

 

[Watertender]

Over 30 years ago I was taking a nap while my wife and son were visiting her parents. I woke up and heard someone in the house. I tiptoed out of the bedroom with my 870 Brushmaster to find a kid going through the drawers in kitchen.
I racked it behind him and he hollered "Ohh S" as he went right through the screen door ruining it totally. He ran across the yard leaving a sneaker and probably looking for a trash can to dispose of his shorts...

 

[eveled]

Anything out of a 12gauge up to your 15 yards is going to be a good man stopper.

I always thought Turkey loads were the sweet spot. They are what I used in my truck gun.

Also I found out having and deer loads in your possession (not during hunting season) was a Fish and Game violation.

Turkey loads were the heaviest load that wasn't a deer load.

 

[s4s4u]

I always thought Turkey loads were the sweet spot. They are what I used in my truck gun.

Also I found out having and deer loads in your possession (not during hunting season) was a Fish and Game violation.

Turkey loads were the heaviest load that wasn't a deer load.

Huh?!? Where is that? That makes no logical sense, but then again logic seems to have little to do with lawmaking... :unsure:

 

[Fox Mike]

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The shirt says it all for me.

 

[eveled]

Huh?!? Where is that? That makes no logical sense, but then again logic seems to have little to do with lawmaking... :unsure:

I think they are trying to prevent poaching deer out of season.

It is scary how you can run afoul of laws that aren’t even on your radar.

 

[s4s4u]

I think they are trying to prevent poaching deer out of season.

It is scary how you can run afoul of laws that aren't even on your radar.

Perhaps, but poachers, at least around this part, prefer 22LR for the job. Most suppressed. It is already illegal so any weapon charge is superfluous. It's kinda like gun laws in general, they only affect those who aren't a danger.

 

[Joe Chartreuse]

This thread has been a great read, but the bottom line is- whether you believe it or not- when it comes to indoor distances, which are usually under 5 yards, almost ( I have to say almost because I KNOW one of you jokers will bring up an NAA .22 short or something just to yank my chain) anything is a stopper. A .410 loaded with salt shot to the face at 5 feet will stop anyone. Inside distances make a big difference.

 

[XUSNORDIE]

This thread has been a great read, but the bottom line is- whether you believe it or not- when it comes to indoor distances, which are usually under 5 yards, almost ( I have to say almost because I KNOW one of you jokers will bring up an NAA .22 short or something just to yank my chain) anything is a stopper. A .410 loaded with salt shot to the face at 5 feet will stop anyone. Inside distances make a big difference.

From personal experience or from what you read or have heard? Everyone is a "joker" if they have not experienced what they preach (IMHO).