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http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=440655956
What a monstrosity :shock:
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=440655956
What a monstrosity :shock:
Get it while you can
- Thread starter RoninPA
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WOW! That is a little 'much'. Not my cup of tea but perhaps someone else loves it. I'm gonna 'bookmark' that and watch it.
I'm gonna go smooch my unmolested GP100.
Jeff
Jeff
OP
I wonder what he used, a nail and electric engraver maybe?
caryc
Hawkeye
While I respect the talent it took to do the engraving, I just don't like it at all.
It does look like he used a mini jackhammer, doesn't it. I believe I could saw down a medium sized oak with it in under 5 minutes.RoninPA said:
Check out his other auctions; same s#%&, different gun...
H.H. Hipshot
Single-Sixer
I was going to say he used a jackhammer, but you beat me to it.
I had a cap pistol as a kid that looked much nicer.
HHH
I had a cap pistol as a kid that looked much nicer.
HHH
caryc
Hawkeye
I guess all you "jackhammer" guys could do a better job of engraving. :roll: :roll:
Ok, it's a style you don't like and it's a style I don't like. But unless you could do a better job yourself, those are pretty cruel remarks about the guy's abilities.
Ok, it's a style you don't like and it's a style I don't like. But unless you could do a better job yourself, those are pretty cruel remarks about the guy's abilities.
caryc, you're wound tighter than an 8 day clock...
"Get it while you can"..... I thought maybe it would be a youtube of Janis Joplin back when she was with Big Brother and the Holding Company.
Oh, well.
But yeah, that GP is fugly. As noted, it's a whole lot better than I could do, but NO engraved firearm has never tripped my trigger.
Oh, well.
But yeah, that GP is fugly. As noted, it's a whole lot better than I could do, but NO engraved firearm has never tripped my trigger.
caryc
Hawkeye
Cholo said:
No I'm not. I can just appreciate the amount of work and time the guy put into that gun even though I don't like the style.
If you can't understand that, there's no use in my explaining it to you. But I guess it's more fun to pile up on the guy like a bunch of third graders.
Well, have fun. :mrgreen:
Rick Courtright
Hawkeye
caryc said:
Hi,
No worries, I understand. Work and time, combined with SKILL, do mean something. For example:
This is a Krieghoff K-80 trap gun with factory CATALOG engraving, meaning there's a lot more possible when one wants true CUSTOM work. Dunno how long it will take, but I hope to have the pleasure of seeing one like this in person soon enough, once it's built. My favorite "student" was inducted into the National Trapshooting Hall of Fame last month, and he's shot a Krieghoff on much of the journey there, so the company's having a "special" one built for him as a "Congratulations and thank you" memento.
In contrast, we have this:
It's kinda sad someone put so much time and effort into screwing up some good steel. It's hard to appreciate in my book. And, NO, I cannot do any better. But I like to think I'm smart enough not to ruin a good gun proving it to the world...
Rick C
Thank you for the new wallpaper, Rick!
Jeff
Jeff
Rick Courtright
Hawkeye
sfhogman said:
Hi,
You're more than welcome, Jeff! It is kinda purty, isn't it? The gold inlays don't show so well in the picture (there are close to four dozen just on the side and top we can see!), but I have a feeling that in person, the gun may almost "sparkle!"
If you want to swap out your wallpaper now and again, their whole catalog starts here: https://www.krieghoff.com/catalog-engravings/ There's probably something in there for most any fan of "scratched" guns, from workhorse plain to pretty ornate. The "Custom" page has a couple I like, along with some pretty odd stuff, too...
For more wallpaper choices, you might want to do a search for Angelo Bee Engraving. You'll find lots of stuff both on his own website and on "for sale" sites. He's a local SoCal engraver, originally from Italy, who's done a lot of work in conjunction with a friend of mine, Jack Dockwiller. Doc did the wood for Krieghoff's presentation guns for a number of years, and Angelo's scratched up a lot of the guns Doc's made stocks for. Doc's slowing down now at age 88, but still working. Angelo's just a kid at 79, so he should be turning out interesting pieces for a while longer... some of his stuff I think is gorgeous, some doesn't match my taste, but it's all top notch work.
Rick C
caryc
Hawkeye
Rick,
I hadn't even notice the gold inlays on that shotgun until you mentioned it. I'll bet the gun is really something to see in person. I have always wondered how they get the gold to stick to the gun in cases like that?
I have a feeling that the job on the revolver might have looked a lot better had he not went with the stippled background on the gun.
I hadn't even notice the gold inlays on that shotgun until you mentioned it. I'll bet the gun is really something to see in person. I have always wondered how they get the gold to stick to the gun in cases like that?
I have a feeling that the job on the revolver might have looked a lot better had he not went with the stippled background on the gun.
Paul B
Hunter
"I have always wondered how they get the gold to stick to the gun in cases like that?"
I believe they under cut the area for the inlay, then pound the raw lump of gold or silver so it spreads out into the under cut. Then they engrave the animal, bird or whatever as the finishing touch. I think that's the way they do it.
Paul B.
I believe they under cut the area for the inlay, then pound the raw lump of gold or silver so it spreads out into the under cut. Then they engrave the animal, bird or whatever as the finishing touch. I think that's the way they do it.
Paul B.
Rick Courtright
Hawkeye
Paul B said:
Hi,
Paul's got it!
Imagine this profile if you can: "steel <GOLD> steel." That undercut lip locks the gold in so it can't fall out. My favorite engraver, Bill Mains, passed away a couple of years ago, but for many years he traveled to big trapshoots in his Airstream "mobile shop" and usually spent a few days a year visiting at our range. The back of the trailer was built so it opened up to where you were "right there" as if you were on the other side of the workbench from him (which you WERE!) It was fascinating to watch...
Rick C
Pierow
Blackhawk
Wow, talk about making something easy to understand. Thanks professor RickRick Courtright said:
Pierow
caryc
Hawkeye
Pierow said:Wow, talk about making something easy to understand. Thanks professor RickRick Courtright said:
Pierow
Ok, I can get that but what about something that is a quarter inch or more wide? How thick is the gold that the lip just on the edges would hold it in place? Since gold is a softer metal. Do they also put some adhesive under the gold?
Rick Courtright
Hawkeye
caryc said:
Hi,
I don't remember Bill (Mains) using any kind of adhesive, but he was also generally doing just the really small stuff "in the field." And while he wasn't the only engraver I ever got to watch, he's the only one I was honored to watch and talk to that much. There are probably tricks each engraver uses that are similar, so you may enjoy watching some of these videos. I don't know Steve Lindsay or his work, other than to watch a little and see he's mainly a "new school" engraver, using an electric tool to do much of his cutting. "Old school" guys used hand gravers and tiny hammers to do theirs. As in any art where new and old technologies collide, there's much discussion about which is "better." The electric tool crowd likes the fact it's faster, while the hammer and graver crowd claims that's it's very downfall, that the tool cuts TOO fast and doesn't offer the control available with hand tools. Bill once said he could look at a piece of work and tell you straight away if it was hand or machine done, so maybe there's something to the arguments? I just watched in amazement!
Here's the link to a forum Bill was active on, which I think caters mainly to "old school" techniques: http://www.engraverscafe.com/forumdisplay.php?1-Hand-Engraving-Forum You may have to join to get very far, especially to view pictures and perhaps tutorials. You may find something interesting in there.
Getting back to Steve, he's posted several hours of videos which show a lot of the process of making the piece highlighted at the beginning:
http://www.engravingforum.com/showthread.php?t=2904
Apparently he lost some of his video that showed the actual process of getting the gold in there, but he has a crude drawing here:
http://engravingtraining.com/private/gold%20inlay.htm
Notice he talks about "raising some teeth" when using wide inlays. This probably acts to "rivet" the gold piece in. I'm not sure.
Anyway, there's lots to look at and maybe something to learn in all that stuff! Enjoy...
Rick C
I have been keeping watch on that auction piece and notice that people are falling all over themselves bidding on it. (sarcasm font now off)
toysoldier
Hunter
I believe the engraver needs to spend more time practicing on something of less intrinsic value. He should also take a hard lood at his work, next to a real engraver's work.
on a side note... how do they say "no reserve" when they have a price posted???
can I bid $33.50 and wait or buy it now for $975??
can I bid $33.50 and wait or buy it now for $975??
The way it is set up the opening bid has to be $975.00. Of course if you REALLY wanted it you could buy it now for $985.00 and eliminate the rush to bid already displayed. :roll: :roll:roarindan51 said:
The Blackhawk Kid
Blackhawk
Nice work, but guns are made to shoot. It's like putting a new 350 crate engine in a Model A, just to cruise around town! Hmmmm BhK
toysoldier
Hunter
The Blackhawk Kid said:
I'd say it's more like using a brush to put a metalflake paint job on a Mustang.
mohavesam
Hawkeye
Strange - no one has mentioned that it is probably a work piece or an engraver's practice gun? The layout is very good, even if from a template. There's nothing indicating it is a "finished" piece afterall.
There is a good gunsmithing school not far from here, we see students all the time looking for guns to use as practice guns of all types, including engraving. I've seen worse project guns and class-practice guns.
And BTW, peening to raise the scrollwork prior to finishing the peened material is a very common method. It is done with a single-point tool, never with power tools.
How exactly does a student get to the point of using an expensive micro-chisel to cut polished metal? By learning the basics of moving steel mechanically.
Buy that gun, clean the corners and detail, mask & blast and polish the non-relief and methinks it'd turn out fine.
There is a good gunsmithing school not far from here, we see students all the time looking for guns to use as practice guns of all types, including engraving. I've seen worse project guns and class-practice guns.
And BTW, peening to raise the scrollwork prior to finishing the peened material is a very common method. It is done with a single-point tool, never with power tools.
How exactly does a student get to the point of using an expensive micro-chisel to cut polished metal? By learning the basics of moving steel mechanically.
Buy that gun, clean the corners and detail, mask & blast and polish the non-relief and methinks it'd turn out fine.
I happen to like that "style" of engraving, and also appreciate the darkened background . . . although I don't know how durable an "inked" background would be. I've always wondered if a better effect could be achieved by bluing the entire gun and then carefully polishing off the blue from the high areas which are the actual design.
I'd have to see it up close and personal to comment on the workmanship.
I'd have to see it up close and personal to comment on the workmanship.
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