Fiatsler's biggest mistake.

[ProfessorWes]

Hard to disagree with this:

http://www.carthrottle.com/memes/oc8TYk/

Yeah, I'd rather have that restomodded '68 version, too. Right color and everything... :lol:

 

[Rick Courtright]

Hi,

There's more to "going back" than just referring ever so slightly to the original styling! Methinks Chevy missed with the "new" Camaro, and Ford "almost got it right" with the Mustang, then threw it out the window with the 2015. (I'm sure I'm in the minority there!) The muscle car culture of the '60s involved a whole raft of societal issues in addition to the hardware itself. We don't have that today...

A dear friend has her '68 Charger, all original, under wraps in the garage. Once every so often she and her hubby uncover it and take it out for an afternoon. If they park it long enough, there's a crowd gathering. Truth be told, I think half of 'em are looking at the car, the other half wondering that a car like that belongs to a good looking gal who's barely older than it is, rather than somebody's grandma. ;) If I remember the story, it was nearly new when she bought it in high school! Ya don't see that reaction with the new stuff... and I wonder how many new ones she could buy if she were to sell it, too?

Rick C

 

[muzzleloader]

I'd put the new Dart in second place for biggest miss, but I guess it'll sell to someone.

 

[toysoldier]

As long as there are gas mileage standards, cars will look pretty much alike. Aerodynamics don't change.

 

[Rick Courtright]

As long as there are gas mileage standards, cars will look pretty much alike. Aerodynamics don't change.

Hi,

Aerodynamics may not change, but it's hardly a one size fits all science. It must be applied according to the job requirements. Does an F-1 car look much like one of those "Imported from Detroit" blobs? Or an F-18 closely resemble a 747? Shall we continue to the shape of a BTHP match bullet vs a round nose solid? Or go outside and compare the shape of a dove to crow?

So it looks like we're talking "sports" car vs "transports" car... in which case I'll agree: aerodynamics don't change (much) when the job at hand is hauling four or five oversized adults around. You've gotta get 'em inside a big box first, then about the only course of action from there is to sand the corners smooth. Efficient? Yes, at least to a point. Ugly, too? Usually.

Rick C

 

[caryc]

As long as there are gas mileage standards, cars will look pretty much alike. Aerodynamics don't change.

Exactly, when I'm out on the road, I couldn't tell you one car from another one. To me nothing looks good any more.

 

[GunnyGene]

Hi,

There's more to "going back" than just referring ever so slightly to the original styling! Methinks Chevy missed with the "new" Camaro, and Ford "almost got it right" with the Mustang, then threw it out the window with the 2015. (I'm sure I'm in the minority there!) The muscle car culture of the '60s involved a whole raft of societal issues in addition to the hardware itself. We don't have that today...

A dear friend has her '68 Charger, all original, under wraps in the garage. Once every so often she and her hubby uncover it and take it out for an afternoon. If they park it long enough, there's a crowd gathering. Truth be told, I think half of 'em are looking at the car, the other half wondering that a car like that belongs to a good looking gal who's barely older than it is, rather than somebody's grandma. ;) If I remember the story, it was nearly new when she bought it in high school! Ya don't see that reaction with the new stuff... and I wonder how many new ones she could buy if she were to sell it, too?

Rick C

Several. If it had the 426 Hemi, 4spd, and in good condition, it could be worth well over $150,000. I had a '69 Hemi SuperBee (bought new for $3400), and I've seen them sell at auctions for over $100k in the last 4 or 5 years.

 

[m657]

re: "You've gotta get 'em inside a big box first, then about the only course of action from there is to sand the corners smooth. Efficient? Yes, at least to a point. Ugly, too? Usually."

Nicely summarized.....tip o'the hat, Sir!

 

[Merle1948]

They've got a lot of nerve calling that a Charger!!! :x

 

[Jimbo357mag]

VW did it pretty good in 1998 with the Beetle. :shock: :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pCUFAStXVQ

 

[Bull Barrel]

They've got a lot of nerve calling that a Charger!!! :x

Sounds like Harley riders back in 1984 when the Evolution engine was introduced.

"That's not a Harley".

 

[Ale-8(1)]

IMHO . . .

The new Charger sucks.

The new Challenger gets it on.

The new Mustang ain't too bad.

The new Camaro looks like a cartoon car.

All just based on looks, that is.

So far, that Hellcat looks like the #1 hot shoe, but I'm sure that will be challenged.

;)

 

[Merle1948]

IMHO . . .

The new Charger sucks.

The new Challenger gets it on.

The new Mustang ain't too bad.

The new Camaro looks like a cartoon car.

All just based on looks, that is.

So far, that Hellcat looks like the #1 hot shoe, but I'm sure that will be challenged.

;)

Yep, nobody stays on top forever.....

 

[Bull Barrel]

The new Challenger and Charger are the same car...as the Chrysler 300.

 

[ProfessorWes]

IMHO . . .

The new Charger sucks.

The new Challenger gets it on.

The new Mustang ain't too bad.

The new Camaro looks like a cartoon car.

All just based on looks, that is.

So far, that Hellcat looks like the #1 hot shoe, but I'm sure that will be challenged.

;)

I'm sorry, but the new Camaro - apart from being indifferently assembled by Government Motors - looks like a scaled-up Hot Wheels car. The Chally and Mustang are a lot closer to their classic namesakes, although I hear that the next-gen Mustang is going to dispense with the "retro" styling and become a "modern" sports car. And we all remember how badly the Mustang sucked the last time Ford tried that particular move, don't we?

Apart from having too many doors, the 2012-14 Charger wasn't (isn't) a bad looking car. But when they put a Dart-like front end on it for the 2015 refresh...blecch.

@Bull Barrel: All three cars were based on the same platform, yes, along with the Magnum wagon when it was available. The 300 is awesome in a if-Bentley-made-cars-for-mobsters way; the Challenger is retro-cool. The Charger...well, see above.

...I kinda miss the Magnum, actually. An SRT version of that with the 6.4 hemi - or the 6.2 Hellcat - would be sweeeeet.

 

[Bull Barrel]

You wouldn't happen to be referring to the infamous Mustang II of the 70s would you?

+1 on the Camaro. When it came out both my son and I said it looked like one of the Transformers toys from the 80s.

 

[m657]

One weekend circa 1970 a buddy loaned me his hand-me-down undercover police cruiser for a little road trip I had to make. A loop from Boise north to McCall, around the horn to New Meadows/Council/Weiser/Ontario/Boise. Until that trip I has always thought 'Chevrolet' was the Big Hoss.

Younger city folks may not appreciate the wonders of a proper big block & decent suspension & brakes on such a rigorous road course.

1968-1970 Plymouth
Belvedere Pursuit
In 1968, Plymouth redesigned its mid-size cars and produced one of the cleanest designs of the era. The police car version of the Belvedere sedan was a straightforward prowler that won sales with a combination of excellent power from it 330-horsepower, 383-cubic inch V8 and low prices. For urban police forces it was an almost-perfect combination. “If you ask ‘Why Plymouth?’” shouted Plymouth’s 1968 police car brochure, “take a 20 mph corner in one. At 60.”

The Belvedere police package was agile and fast enough to attract the attention of muscle car enthusiasts. So also in 1968, Plymouth took the cop car’s mechanical bits and put them into a two-door shell to create the classic Road Runner.

 

[ArmedinAZ]

So what do you guys think a corporate ponycar repro should look like? A perfect clone on the outside with modern internals?? These cars are meant to be an interpretation of an iconic model not a restomod like that black Charger. I bet the opinions of the current cars is based on a person's lifelong brand preferences. The fact that we can buy 2014 Camaros, Mustangs, and Challengers that can kick the snot out of their early counterparts in every category should be celebrated.

 

[Ale-8(1)]

Doesn't really matter what I think. I was just expressing an opinion on the entire matter.

I would assume that the Chevy fanbois will love the Camaro, just like the Mopar bunch will like the Challenger (if not the Charger), and us Fordites will still like the 'Stangs so long as they don't stray TOO far from the original.

As far as I'm concerned, a car that counts heavily on traditional styling shouldn't deviate much from the successful image. Modern underpinning are quite OK in my book, as some of the originals were a little lax in those areas. Power doesn't seem to be a problem these days. Back in the day, the 271HP Mustang was the hottest thing available for a year or two, and today a 300HP V6 is the "base" engine. Progress.

:)

Just a thought . . . how 'bout one of those new V6s dropped into a '65 'Stang? Mmmmmmm . . .

;)

 

[caryc]

So what do you guys think a corporate ponycar repro should look like? A perfect clone on the outside with modern internals?? These cars are meant to be an interpretation of an iconic model not a restomod like that black Charger. I bet the opinions of the current cars is based on a person's lifelong brand preferences. The fact that we can buy 2014 Camaros, Mustangs, and Challengers that can kick the snot out of their early counterparts in every category should be celebrated.

I don't care about kicking the snot out of any other car. I haven't had a traffic ticket in over 35 years. I don't go around with a lead foot like an idiot. I care about the looks of a vehicle. If it's looks don't please me I'm not going to buy it.

Like someone else said they are so concerned with gas mileage and aerodynamics that they have just ruined all the style cars used to have.

All the cars now just look like a big egg with a few little bumps here and there. I liked the big slab sided Lincolns with the suicide doors. They looked more like a slab of bacon than a rolling egg. I liked the big 1959 caddies and the 59 Pontiac. Big cars with style and looks.

 

[Number9]

Sometimes when you have it right, you stick to it.. even 26 years apart!

1980 Jeep CJ-7

2006 Jeep Rubicon

 

[ArmedinAZ]

Nice German Jeep there No9! Of course there were the dark years of the square headlight... :?


All due respect if a guy can't tell the difference between a modern Camaro, Mustang, and Challenger at a glance from any angle then 1) you ain't a car guy and 2) a trip to your favorite optometrist might be in order! :wink:

 

[Number9]

Nice German Jeep there No9! Of course there were the dark years of the square headlight... :?


All due respect if a guy can't tell the difference between a modern Camaro, Mustang, and Challenger at a glance from any angle then 1) you ain't a car guy and 2) a trip to your favorite optometrist might be in order! :wink:

One of the main reasons I bought the '06 was it's the last year of the straight 6...
it's was also assembled in Toledo, OH...
OH... it's 82% American... the most American made vehicle today is 75%, I believe?

 

[ArmedinAZ]

American made/American brand is a subject for a different thread. :shock:

If your Rubi was the Unlimited 2 door it would be perfect.

 

[Number9]

"If your Rubi was the Unlimited 2 door it would be perfect."

Tell me why?

 

[m657]

"If your Rubi was the Unlimited 2 door it would be perfect"

.....uhhh......are you making a subtle joke?

...all the Unlimiteds are 4 door these days.....

 

[Cholo]

I don't care if #9's Jeep was made in Kenya :mrgreen:

 

[Number9]

I know.. I know.. it's the flag on front ya like! :mrgreen:

 

[caryc]

Nice German Jeep there No9! Of course there were the dark years of the square headlight... :?


All due respect if a guy can't tell the difference between a modern Camaro, Mustang, and Challenger at a glance from any angle then 1) you ain't a car guy and 2) a trip to your favorite optometrist might be in order! :wink:

I can't tell the difference because I don't give a crap about them. I don't like any of the new cars. I don't waste my time looking at them.

 

[toysoldier]

Nice German Jeep there No9! Of course there were the dark years of the square headlight... :?


All due respect if a guy can't tell the difference between a modern Camaro, Mustang, and Challenger at a glance from any angle then 1) you ain't a car guy and 2) a trip to your favorite optometrist might be in order! :wink:

I can't tell the difference because I don't give a crap about them. I don't like any of the new cars. I don't waste my time looking at them.

+1^
And I'm not a 12 year old boy wishing I could drive one.