ELMERS CHOICE FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT

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Everyone who's ever heard of Elmer Keith knows that he always preferred "big & slow" over "small & fast" when it came to hunting or self defense.
Going back 35 years I had a table at a local gun show, one of the guns on my table was a very early Ruger #1 in 45/70. A gentleman stopped at my table who was very interested in my 4 digit #1, it had outstanding wood, some of the finest wood I'd ever seen on a factory rifle.
The man's name was Jed Wilson, he was either the Sherrif or a deputy of Lemhi County (Salmon) Idaho & was very well aquainted with Elmer Keith. I had met Elmer 2-3 times earlier & was eager to make another trip north to Salmon. Jed called me a few days after the gun show & told me he wanted to purchase the 45/70, I told him I would deliver the gun if he would tell Elmer I was coming & would like to visit him again, he said he would take care of it.
I've shown this photo before but its worth showing again. This is Elmer Keith in about 1975 holding his own Ruger #1, we were out back of his house in his trophy/writing room.

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After my visit with Elmer I drove over to Jed Wilson's, he showed me a very nice gun collection & told me an interesting story of why he had a large steel chest on the floor of one of his bedrooms. Instead of a safe he had this chest built so that it was too big to fit through the door....no one could steal it because of its size!
The story goes like this, Jed's son was a policeman for the city of Salmon, he noticed a car traveling at a high rate of speed running through a red light, he gave chase & a running gun fight broke out. Jed's son called for backup as the chase headed north along the Salmon River & would last for many miles next to the Montana border.
The young Wilson fired many shots trying to break the back window of the getaway car, his duty gun, a 9mm was just bouncing the issue ammo off the glass, the bad guy was returning fire but no one was getting hit & all those involved were just having a great time getting in a little night time shooting practice.
Finally after a 30 mile chase the bad guy got stopped & when the cops popped open the trunk of the car there was 2 dozen of the younger Wilson's dads gun collection bouncing around on the floor. Thats why he later had the steel trunk built. He told me Elmer Keith gave all of them the raspberries for packing those itty bitty 9mm's when a single 44 slug would have ended the chase. The getaway car has over 20 hits on the glass &
body!
Jed told me he carried a 44 "most" of the time after that, he didn't want the "old prophet" chewing on him again for carrying a dinky little 9mm!

Dick
 
Great story and great picture!! Memories are wonderful things to have!
 
You can break auto body glass with a 9mm just fine. But you gotta throw the dang gun really hard or it will bounce off too!
 
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Great story and pic! Thans for sharing.

Is it just me, or did anyone else wonder how many grip sets and knife handles are hanging on the wall behind Elmer? :)

deac45
 
deac45 said:
Great story and pic! Thans for sharing.

Is it just me, or did anyone else wonder how many grip sets and knife handles are hanging on the wall behind Elmer? :)

deac45

No, I noticed that Ivory too.

I also wondered what gun he had on.... was that his S&W 29?
 
I might add a side storyto Dick's. Not long after that Dick and I were working up loads for our 340 Wby's getting ready to go to Alaska. One sat night Dick told me he pick me up Sunday morning and take me to meet a couple grand old men . We drove to Salmon and he introduced me to Elmer. The old fellow wasn't getting around to well so he was excited to have company. He was especilly glad to talk 33 cal's (340,s). He seemed to know a little about them. After leaving, Dick said he'd introduce me to Bob Hagel who only lived about 10 miles away in Gibbonsville Idaho. For you younger fellows who might not know that name, Bob hagel was a great gun author, outfitter,and gun tester. He wrote one of my gun bibles, "Game Loads and Practical Ballistics for the American Hunter". This book was one of my main resources in the 70's and 80,s. What a great day we had. It's amazing that 2 great gun men would live in one small Idaho town.Thought you might be intersted. By the way the 340's worked great in Alaska. I still using the same load 30 years later... 210 Noslers at 3200 fps.
 
I had forgotten about that trip many years ago but Brents memory is better than mine, we did have a great visit with 2 of the real giants in guns, loads, shooting & hunting, it was a wonderful day & I just wish I would have taken more photo's.

Dick
 
Brent, you must have taken Bob Hagels book to heart, as I remember him being a big fan of that 210 gr. Nosler in .338 Win Mag. and the the .340 Weatherby. If memory serves me right, Hagel had a custom .340 made on a Winchester action. I remember a picture of him in that book approaching a grizzly bear he killed across the river carrying that rifle. I think he even had a ivory "H" in the pistol grip of that rifle.

Dick, what rifles were you and Brent carrying in .340 Weatherby. And what game did you take with them in Alasks ?

Man what a day, to meet two legends like that, Keith and Hagel !
 
Jeff, Brent & I were both carrying Weatherby Mk5's in 340 caliber, mine was an early one made in west Germany. We were using identical loads in both guns. I took 2 caribou & 3 bears with mine. Brent shot a double shovel caribou & a very nice black bear that he has mounted life size. We were on a back pack hunt for 17 days, it was a wonderful trip. We saw Dall sheep, Grizzly bear, moose, black bear, caribou & lots of wolf tracks but no actual sightings of wolves.
We were young & tough as nails, I walked 5miles to work 3 times a week carrying a backpack filled with books, then Ruth Ann would pick me up at 11 pm.

Dick
 
I have often wondered why the .44 wasn't pushed more for a law enforcement gun than it could have been. When I was researching for the article I did alot of study on it with law enforcement, and Elmer was even pushing for it back then. Remember that the .41 Magnum which was supposed to be a viable LE round came out less than 10 years after the .44 did. To me I would rather carry a .44 or a .41 anyday over a 9mm or darn near anything else except maybe my .357 or .38 on a good day.
 
Dick, My son found this post last nght when looking for information on his Grandfather Jed Wilson. I have the 45/70 you refered to as well as a 243 and 30-06 Ruger Number 1 that were in my Fathers Estate. Thank you and Best Regards David Wilson
 
Welcome to the Forum!
I love to hear the old stories, & it's even better when people connected with a story appear. David, are you the "young Wilson" mentioned in the car chase/gunfight?
 
That was older brothers. I was just a kid at that time, but do have many memories of my father and Elmer talking guns and politics.
 
I had to ask, as it's always interesting. It's heartwarming to see things like this appear. Family, friends & guns,,, not much better.
 
I remember Jed Wilson already had a Ruger #1 in 45/70 when he bouht mine, his was a nice rifle but the wood wasn't anything like the 4 digit one that I sold him. He wanted it pretty bad & pulled a 5' barrel 44 magnum out of that gun box mentioned earlier. Those of you that know your S&W's know that a 5" factory 44 is one of the Holy Grails of handguns! This one had facgtory ivory stocks & Jed wanted to know if I was interested in making a trade for my #1. We talked back & forth in his comfortable living room (rustic) but finally he decided he had better hold onto the extremely rare 5" gun, I was pretty disappointed as there were very few of them every made.
Jed told me of an incident he had one time at a gunshow in Kalispell, Montana, he had a could of tables there, up stairs I think as this show was on 2 different levels. It was late in the day & a fellow showed up with a rifle he was interested in trading or selling (can't remember) Jed admitted he made the cardinal sin of gun handling, he accidently touched the trigger without opening the bolt & the gun fired a round through the ceiling, he said he was very fortunate he was on the uppeer floor because the round exited the building, had he been on the lower floor it might have been a very serious accident. Being a professional lawman (good one) he packed up his gear immediately & left for Salmon. Jed was very honest in his telling of the story & made it clear he made a mistake that many of us have also done & never reported. I liked him a lot, one of the oldtime lawmen/gunmen that we had here in the west.

Dick
 
What an awesome thread. I'm fortunate to be able to hear stories from people who actually met and knew our heroes in the gun world.

.338/.378 KT?

The most powerful rifle I own any more is a Weatherby Mark V Accumark in .338/.378 Weatherby. I have a crocodile skin sling on it. I mentioned it in the grail gun thread. Had dies and brass for over 2 years before I could finally order the rifle.
 
2 dogs said:
You can break auto body glass with a 9mm just fine. But you gotta throw the dang gun really hard or it will bounce off too!

That's right :!: :lol:

Thanks for the story Dick :D
 
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