Does anybody practice "Point and Shoot"?

[SR1911SHOOTER]

Does anybody practice "point and shoot" any more?
I practice it every time to I go to the range if anybody is in my
"Personal Space", which I consider to be 10 feet, I consider that
point and shoot range.
If somebody comes into your personal range, you do not
have time to aim. So, point and shoot applies.
There are many websites that explain " Point and Shoot"
so I will not get into it here. But check it out.
Blackie

 

[wolfsong]

Standard training for quarterly qualifying for me. I practice many different applications, however.

 

[wunbe]

It is uncanny how fast you learn this 'un-aimed' system using stick and string archery.

wunbe

 

[Pat-inCO]

Bill Jordan (retired Border Patrol) used to do shooting demonstrations
with a revolver, shooting wax "bullets" and knock an aspirin tablet off of
a table at somewhere in the six to ten feet distance.

I never got anywhere near that good, but I did practice a whole lot one
Summer and got to the point where I could put ten of ten in a four inch
bull on the target, at fifteen feet. Yuppers, it works!

 

[powder smoke]

Point and shoot is a necessary skill. ps

 

[GunnyGene]

You know I do. Not as often as I should tho. That said, I don't care about hitting aspirin :wink: . If I can consistently put 2 or 3 holes in a piece of printer paper in rapid succession from 10ft or so that's gudnuff.

 

[#1rugerman]

When I was just getting into centerfire handguns I had a neighbor who was ex-fbi and a gun nut, I had just bought a Ruger security 6 and he asked me if I wanted to learn how to point shoot. He was amazing, he could make a can dance with his snub nose 38 from the hip, I tried hard but I never got anywhere near that good, but I had fun trying.

 

[Mus408]

I do when I get the chance.

 

[wwb]

In the event you need to use a handgun for self-defense, this will be the method you MUST use.... aimed fire will get you killed.

Those among us who had an 11B MOS will remember what the Army called "quick kill". It was "point and shoot", or instinctive shooting with a rifle, intended for quick shots at close and/or moving targets. The instructor was astounded at how well I did, even on the smallest targets.... then I told him I had been a competitive skeet shooter before I was drafted.

 

[Ale-8(1)]

I have always questioned the attitude that "point-and-shoot" (instinct shooting) is somehow unworthy of consideration. Too many of the "big name" instructors seem to insist on the use of sights at anything but near-contact range. I assume this is to sell their "school of thought".

Don't get me wrong. I'm a fan of Cooper's teaching and he always encouraged the "flash sight picture" whenever possible. But he also acknowledged that it's occasionally necessary to just "p&s" the bad guy.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

 

[DGW1949]

I was taught "point and shoot" eons-ago while attending the Harris County Sheriff's Academy, and still practice at it to this very day.
On the other side of that coin, I was also taught how to quickly disarm someone who might be dumb enough to hold his gun out at arms length and point it at me in close (6-8 feet) quarters...which is also something I still practice...and have taught to others. Ain't hard to do, even for an old guy...

point's being that combat (AKA 'self defense') situations don't usually happen like most folks has it pictured, and they happen purty-dern fast. So fast in fact, that most folks would be lucky to have enough time to pull their own gun, let alone take aim as if shooting a target down at their local range.

Take it FWIW.

DGW

 

[Colonialgirl]

One year at the East Coast Ruger Gathering at Ty's place, we did a little of the point and shoot stuff. Interesting and after about three shots, I was able to hit the target (a plastic bottle) several times. I DO need to practice that at the gun range.

 

[WendyZXZ]

We both do here!

 

[SR1911SHOOTER]

You guys are awesome.
Blackie

 

[Captain America]

My wife heard me say "this gun just points for me" and only understood what I meant after she started shooting her LCR. I've practiced point and shoot for years and she does the same drills I do at the range...she's getting really good too.

 

[kmoore]

It is like learning how to walk, then run, then run without falling over.
Start with using sights to develop shooting skills. After that point and shoot and increase speed. 25 yards plus to be good my opinion nearly everyone needs to aim and use sights. At 15 yds and closer point and shoot will work. The police "Q" course here has time factoried in, the guys who take time to aim run out of time. That reinforces point and shoot. The reality is at 15 yards anyone can see bullet impacting the target in daytime and adjust their aim to hit center.

 

[gramps]

My father a DI in WWll taught me to shoot using the sights. Fast forward to when I was an Deputy Sheriff, and they taught point and shoot at contact to 7 feet. Beyond that the sights are your friend. I practice drawing and firing with my elbow locked into my ribs.
gramps

 

[Bear Paw Jack]

All my training has been flash sight picture. Here's my problem. What ever you do, for example point and shoot, which is good for day 6-8 feet might work ok if you do it enough. It's still tough to make accurate hits even at 5 feet because it require using an aiming point, (your body) so you can cant your gun in some. If you try to do it with out bringing it to your eye you will have a tough time beyond just a few feet. It's tough for people who don't transition to flash sight picture because the distance has gotten longer. Unless you practice point shooting regularly you will not shoot accurately further than 6-8 feet. A good example of that is the police departments that teach point shooting don't have a high percentage of hits. I'd much rather get a flash sight picture and develop that as a muscle memory program. Don't believe me. Point shoot at 8 feet 10 times. then take your target out to 25 feet. Your target is an 8-1/2 X 11 piece of paper. Double tap it 10 times as fast as you can. How many times did you stay on the paper. Doesn't matter what you do, if you don't practice a fair amount you won't do well. There is NO reason not to stay on paper at that distance. I'm probably as out of practice as any of you, but in a fairly short time of practice (couple of hours) I'd stay on the paper. The average police officer that isn't required to shoot at least bi-weekly will have a tough time with point shooting from the distances you folks are talking about. Seeing that front sight doesn't not hold you up. we are talking hundredths of a second. I'd rather be accurate and hit when I shoot.

 

[opos]

My right eye (dominant eye) suffered a branch retinal occlusion (busted small artery in the retina)...when it healed over it left a "bubble" scar at the exact point where my focus point is on the right retina...like aiming through a bubble....difficult and disconcerting...So I began to use my non dominant eye and got along pretty well..then just using both eyes open and totally relaxing my eyes and that was better yet..that has grown into point and shoot which covers about 75% of myshooting now and since my days of precision shooting are long gone with age...I enjoy the results of point and shoot...mostly just training for self defense at home (can't CCW where I livel

 

[Ale-8(1)]

The reality is at 15 yards anyone can see bullet impacting the target in daytime and adjust their aim to hit center.

On paper, maybe, depending on your vision.

On an attacker, not so much.

 

[Conservative]

No, but I'm very glad you brought it up.

Now, I'll have to do a bit of research on doing so.

The closest P&S I've come to is 'retention shots' but as you know that up very close and personal...

 

[kmoore]

Of course I met on paper regarding seeing the hits. Point was if the first shot is left it is easy to correct. At 15yds you must fire 12 rounds in 30 seconds with a slide lock back and magazine change. If all rounds went off center then the shooter would not pass.
On this topic, I or others may have misunderstood point and shoot. Some call what I call point and shoot (flash sighting). In my comments at 15 yds the shooter brings the gun up to eye level but, without lining up front sight into back sight. The time limits really prevent taking time to line up the sights correctly and fire each round. At 5yds and closer the gun is fired while at the waist, maybe that is only point and shoot. If that is what everyone says is point and shoot my response was wrong. The target we use is human chest size and easy to get kill shots at 15 yards with practice that area is 6 inch's wide 11 inch's high. Not a bullseye target. 50 shot course 25, 15, 10, 5, 2 yards shot 3 times a year most shoot at in the 85 to 90% and above, some get 100%. I once missed a year and still got a 98%.

 

[exavid]

I practice it close up with my LC9 and SR40c but I'll never be as good at it as I was when I was a kid with my BB gun. Thousands of BBs make one pretty good with a Daisy.

 

[DGW1949]

kmoore...at 6' (2 Yds), ours was fired one-handed with the gun held level just above the holster as soon as it cleared leather. Probably the same target as you had, or leastways something very similar. We quickly learned that adjusting shot placement was largely a function of body stance, feet placement, and keeping your wrist straight. Trial 'n error until ya get it right, that's all.
It wasn't until we moved to the 15' line that a 2 hand hold was used, but even then the gun was held at waist level and pulled back to just in front of our body...

The reason that we were taught those things is that when the fighting is 'close up', one never extends the gun towards the bad guy...'cause if ya do, there's bad guys out there that know exactly how to take it from you. Or worse, how to shoot you with it while it's still in your own hand if they want to.

Serious business, fighting for one's life.

DGW

 

[kmoore]

Sounds the same, here it's one handed 3 shots strong hand, switch gun to the weak hand and fire 3 more at end of the course, 8 seconds from draw to finish. The main purpose is to practice gun retention while firing fast. So, gun is held next to body and time is important as hits, some put gun in front of waist at belt line. But, should be at your side, with a semi auto, left side gun is tilted so it does not get jammed by clothing.
Just so others can follow, in that shooting stance the elevation change is done by arching your back, more backward and you shoot higher, windage is changed by waist twist, twist right, bullet goes right etc.

 

[SR1911SHOOTER]

At 15 feet, I point and shoot, no left handed science, etc. Been doing it all my life, Ever hear of
muscle memory?
Usually, anything 20 feet or further, you better have "Law Shield".
Blackie

 

[Bear Paw Jack]

My reference to flash sight picture is catching a glimpse of the front sight being on the target. Not necessary to take the time to line up the front sight between the rear sights, that should "automatically" happen if you have a consistent grip. If you don't you are going to hit with out bringing the sights up anyway.

 

[DGW1949]

At 15 feet, I point and shoot, no left handed science, etc. Been doing it all my life, Ever hear of
muscle memory?
Usually, anything 20 feet or further, you better have "Law Shield".
Blackie

Perhaps you should note that it's common for a right handed shooter (which 6 out of 7 are) to shoot to the left when under stress and/or a time constraint. What that means is that if the bad guy 'pulls' his shot(s) while firing, there's a good chance that his bullet(s) will hit you somewhere in your right quadrant...hence the need to practice shooting with your left hand. You know...just in case your right (strong) side becomes inoperative.

I'm not even going to address the "20 feet or further" comment because (#1) it has nothing to do with the topic at hand, and (#2) the implication it carries has no basis in either Texas Law, or for that matter, in any case law pertaining to Texas that any one has yet been able to show me.

DGW