Defensive Storage

How do you "store" a defense/home defense semi-auto gun?

  • Bullets in the box and the gun field stripped?

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  • Gun in one place and loaded mag in another place or next to the gun?

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  • Loaded mag inserted into the gun, but no round in the chamber?

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  • Loaded mag inserted into the gun, with a round in the chamber, but not cocked?

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  • A trigger pull away from bang(well, maybe switching a safety off or something too)?

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Mossberg shot gun (empty chamber/full tube of 00) and double action revolver next to bed. A few more double action revolvers scattered around the house.

My semi-autos are in the safe......I know the revolvers will go "bang" every time I pull the trigger.
 
Although I voted 'loaded mag, no round in chamber' that's actually only for my house guns. I keep my 3 CCWs (only carry one) a trigger pull away because I think in a push-come-shove situation I need to be able to one-handed defend, draw, shot. Oh, I consider my car gun - LCP - a CCW.
 
For years it has been 38 revolver fully loaded, recently it has been P95 fully loaded one in the chamber decocker only no safety. Starting today P97 fully loaded one in the chamber decocker only no safety.
Just for those who don't have kids be careful. Last summer my cousin left his pistol out ( no kids).His girlfriend came by while he was at work and brought her little brother. Her little brother (I forget his age but he hadn't started school yet) found the gun and shot himself fatally. My cousin wasn't charged with anything but he will never get over it.
I don't have any kids in the house but I always keep my guns locked in a safe or on me except sometimes when I leave my bedroom to go to the kitchen or bathroom I will lock the bedroom door behind me, keyed lock. It only takes a moment for an accident to happen.
 
oilcangary said:
Just for those who don't have kids be careful. Last summer my cousin left his pistol out ( no kids).His girlfriend came by while he was at work and brought her little brother. Her little brother (I forget his age but he hadn't started school yet) found the gun and shot himself fatally. My cousin wasn't charged with anything but he will never get over it.

Tragic story. In California he would be charged, law requires keeping guns secure from children. BUT...he could have no worse punishment than the guilt he will have forever, poor guy.

It is stories like yours that compelled me to always keep my guns secure.
 
Loaded mag inserted into the gun, but no round in the chamber and laying on The Pistol Pad alarm interface which gives me immediate, unrestricted access to the weapon while highly restricting clandestine access by others.

The Pistol Pad is new so if you haven't seen it, check out

http://www.thepistolpad.com

DWC
 
Ok, loaded mag, but no round in the chamber folks, I am really curious as to why. The "keep it hot" folks have been quite clear about there reasons, so what are yours? I need some good reasoning as I wrestle with this question myself.

Also, looked at the pistol pad, that looks like a tough sell to me, escpecially because it looks like someone could fire the weapon from the pad. My coded nightstand gunsafe has a weapon in my hand in 4 - 5 seconds... but the calling the police thing could be handy, or really annoying, or both.

Thanks again all!
 
I voted the last one, one pull away from BANG!

I have the SR9 and the SR40 on the dresser, loaded mag, one in the chamber, safety on.

No kids here, old lady is good with the weapons.

Oh yeah, also have the dog alarm.
 
I use the electronic interface to my home electronic security system The Pistol Pad. It resides in the nightstand drawer next to my bed and if I hear breaking glass or doors being attacked and I grab my gun I have done three things simultaneously. I have armed myself, it sets off the siren informing the intruder that he has been detected and a signal is sent to responding law enforcement that there is an emergency at my address and a gun has been deployed.

If anyone else attempts to move my gun the alarm will go off automatically. We see police reports of guns removed by carpet cleaners, maid services, pest control operators and guest attending parties. With the pistol pad there in for a surprise. Children picking us a pistol off of the pistol pad and setting off sirens will cause them to immediately cease and desist.
 
tnvnl said:
....Oh yeah, also have the dog alarm.

A very under rated piece of security. We have 2 and I have no doubt they will give me enough notice for me to get to my weapon (in quick access safe) if I'm asleep and have a break in. :idea:
 
SecurityPro said:
Children picking us a pistol off of the pistol pad and setting off sirens will cause them to immediately cease and desist.

Thats the hope at least.... I dont like it. It may make them cease and desist, or it may scare them and cause their hand to contract, squeezing the trigger and firing a round who knows where. Or if its not a child, they can just take off with the gun. yea you know its gone, but thats not really helpful when its GONE, is it? This is a poor replacement for a safe and dangerous IMO. If you have a security system, it should have gone off long before the BG gets to your gun, and if you leave a gun where its accessible to uneducated children/maids/etc, you are an idiot. If you have children who may pick it up or visitors/workers with access to the room(s) the gun is in, it needs to be on your person or locked up. If a burglar is in your house, they obviously arent concerned with the law or alarms, in fact the alarm going off just tells him he has only a few min left before its time to go, and even if it calls the police, you know what they say, when seconds count, help is only minutes away... so the BG has plenty of time to shoot you with your own gun and still get away.

My two dogs are better than any security system. a power/phone outage doesn't affect them, and once activated, you cant shut them off, heck not even I can stop them from barking when there is someone outside my house until they are satisfied there is no threat.
 
I'm not trying to be argumentative, I was trying to be helpful so I apologize if I offended you but I will try to respond to your remarks.

I have no issue with dogs as I have one and do appreciate their value in security and safety.

My security system has battery backup and cell connectivity so power outage and phone outage are not problems.

Obviously the pistol pad is not for everyone and we must each find our owns solution and what we are comfortable with but the facts are that 40 million firearms are loaded and unsecure in US households and this will help.

The pistol pad works on the 24 hour zone so the alarm system does not need to be armed to work. My pistol is in a drawer in my master bedroom and if anyone seeks to remove it I will know immediately and I am sure that it will always be where I want it for my defense. I carry a firearm as well and I can assure you that I am not an idiot.

Many investigated burglaries revealed that the victims had a security system but failed to set it but removing a firearm from a pistol pad will set off the alarm even if in has not been armed.

I sincerely am not trying to exacerbate an argument but am honestly trying to respond to your points. Thank you for your view points.
 
Well, after some more thinking, I will agree that using the pistol pad could be good for someone that doesn't have their gun locked up anyway. My point was just that it doesn't replace a safe. They both have their place. Even without kids I wouldn't use it because If I dont have my CCW on me, I take my HD pistol with me from room to room. But for someone that leaves a gun in a drawer all the time, the pistol pad could make sense, I just took issue with you saying it could help prevent the gun from getting into the hands of a child.
 
dacaur said:
Well, after some more thinking, I will agree that using the pistol pad could be good for someone that doesn't have their gun locked up anyway. My point was just that it doesn't replace a safe. They both have their place. Even without kids I wouldn't use it because If I dont have my CCW on me, I take my HD pistol with me from room to room. But for someone that leaves a gun in a drawer all the time, the pistol pad could make sense, I just took issue with you saying it could help prevent the gun from getting into the hands of a child.

I totally agree... I am sure that pad has it place, but not as a defense from kids using/accessing the gun, especially because it looks like the gun can be fired without removing it from the pad, if it were loaded and cocked/DA. If they could add the alarm feature to the 4 key nightstand hand-gun safes, now I think you have some business. You would have my business.

OUt of curiouslity, you never mentioned the sotagre condition of your weapon security... how do you leave it in the drawer?
 
The weapon is on the pistol pad which is armed and there is a pre-alert 110 decible piezo which goes off if you just open the drawer. Pardon my ignorance but sotagre is a word I am not familar with, could you please explain?

In his exceptional new book SAFE Wayne LaPierre, the executive director of the NRA writes on page 141 “There is therefore no single best method of firearm storage. You must choose the firearm storage method that is best for you, given your personal circumstances and preferences.”

I think we all struggle with what is right and how we protect ourselves, our loved ones and be good stewards as we try to do what is right.

God bless you as you obviously are a staunch advocate of our rights and Merry Christmas!
 
Rem 870 tactical loaded by the bed whenever I am asleep.

P95 is loaded and ready to go as my standby whenever I am up and around the house. At least one of my carry guns are also usually loaded, but those are not "at the ready" around the house.

Home alarm is always set when I am settled for the night (sitting in the living room watching a movie at midnight). Alarm and connection are on backup UPS. Phone is not hard line.

To supplement all of that stuff, my home is wired with X10 home control, and with the push of a panic button on my nightstand I can turn on lights in every room of the house, plus the exterior lights.
 
Yawn wrote:

I am sure that pad has it place, but not as a defense from kids using/accessing the gun, especially because it looks like the gun can be fired without removing it from the pad, if it were loaded and cocked/DA. If they could add the alarm feature to the 4 key nightstand hand-gun safes, now I think you have some business. You would have my business.

Looks can be deceiving and, with The Pistol Pad, that is definitely the case. Using the device with a semi-auto that has its loaded magazine in place and an empty tube; it is extremely difficult but not impossible for a knowledgable adult to rack in a round and fire the weapon before activating the alarm. I would objectively put the probability of a child accomplishing that feat over in the virtually impossible column.

However, tempting anyone with an openly exposed handgun is just asking for trouble. With a high capacity semi-auto laying on it, the device fits in a narrow nightstand drawer or other enclosure where it is out of sight of the overly curious.

For those who want more restrictive access, an extremely unique, lockable gun box that maintains all of the electronic advantages of The Pistol Pad is being custom made now but is not in volume manufacture.

There is a great deal of activity with The Pistol Pad line of electronic firearm security products not yet published on the website at:

www.thepistolpad.com but I will do my best to answer any questions you may have via email at [email protected]

DWC
 
No kids in the house, and unlikely any will visit.

My Sig 220 and 226 are both topped off, and a DA pull is all that's needed.
 
Loaded mag, empty chamber. Wife and I can rack the slides in about a second, but young children cannot rack them at all. May have to alter the scenario as they get stronger, but they are also being taught gun safety already..... my youngest will sound the alarm if someone accidentally sweeps the room with a Nerf pistol! (Kind of annoyed her Uncle, but we praised her for always watching the muzzle!!) :D
 
DWC said:
Looks can be deceiving and, with The Pistol Pad, that is definitely the case. Using the device with a semi-auto that has its loaded magazine in place and an empty tube; it is extremely difficult but not impossible for a knowledgable adult to rack in a round and fire the weapon before activating the alarm. I would objectively put the probability of a child accomplishing that feat over in the virtually impossible column.

DWC

Assuming that is the case, the pistol pad then limits how one can store their gun safely... and looking at the thread poll, most people do not want to store their gun without one in the pipe and cocked (if it is that kind of gun). And virtually impossible doesn't comfort me enough. Ok, back to the topic... how do you store your gun(s) and why?

Thanks all
 
mkmag said:
Loaded mag, empty chamber. Wife and I can rack the slides in about a second, but young children cannot rack them at all. May have to alter the scenario as they get stronger, but they are also being taught gun safety already..... my youngest will sound the alarm if someone accidentally sweeps the room with a Nerf pistol! (Kind of annoyed her Uncle, but we praised her for always watching the muzzle!!) :D

That is a good point, empty chamber is added "security" for the little ones. Where do you keep it?
 
full mag, loaded, empty chamber. With the Browning Hi-power it was driven into me. Racking the slide is automatic and is part of the draw and push to the target.
 
Yawn said:
mkmag said:
Loaded mag, empty chamber. Wife and I can rack the slides in about a second, but young children cannot rack them at all. May have to alter the scenario as they get stronger, but they are also being taught gun safety already..... my youngest will sound the alarm if someone accidentally sweeps the room with a Nerf pistol! (Kind of annoyed her Uncle, but we praised her for always watching the muzzle!!) :D

That is a good point, empty chamber is added "security" for the little ones. Where do you keep it?

Don't you know not to ask the magician how he does it? HA! :lol:

And burglars are the universe providing you with free man-sized targets.....you will however be responsible for the carpet cleaning bill :shock: :wink:

Man - I need some range time.............. :P getting a bit stir crazy!
 
Glock 19, 19 round magazine inserted and one in the pipe.

Not only do I not want to rack the slide and invite a potential FTF while groggy but racking the slide makes noise. I don't like making noise if I think I might need to shoot someone.
 
Pale Horse said:
Glock 19, 19 round magazine inserted and one in the pipe.

Not only do I not want to rack the slide and invite a potential FTF while groggy but racking the slide makes noise. I don't like making noise if I think I might need to shoot someone.

I understand the noise thing, but the added safety it provides with children in the house is well worth it to me. And while there may be a slight benefit in your element of surprise, I believe I already have the upper hand anyway - I know the layout of my home far better than any intruder can. Plus...

If the BG hears the slide rack and leaves with his tail between his legs - Advatage ME.

If the BG hears the slide rack and knows this is going to be a fight, starts second guessing himself, getting nervous and shaky with adrenaline, while I routinely practice shooting after doing 20 jumping jacks and 20 pushups to get slightly winded and my heart rate pounding - Advantage ME.

Anyone stupid enough to stay in my home after hearing that slide rack is leaving full of holes......
 
All excellent points and I particularly liked "A gun is like a parachute: If you need one and don't have one, you won't be needing one again."

I hope everyone had a very Merry Christmas and that the coming year will be an excellent for for all of us as proponents of our second amendment rights.

Thanks for all of your viewpoints and comments which I value.
 
Night stand gun - P345 w/Streamlight M6X on rail - full mag + one chambered - safety on. Click (safety), bang,

Wife's night stand gun - 3" Judge w/000 buck. That way she doesn't have to find her glasses.

Kitchen gun - .357 revolver.

CC Pocket gun - P3AT - always carry.

Farm jacket pocket - Bond Snake Slayer w/#9 shot - we do have poisonous snakes around.

Everything goes, as is, in the safe when we leave the house. The Doberman and Pit Bull can't work them, anyway. No kids here, but we also put them in the safe when the grand kids show up.

All CC weapons are stored, in the safe, the same way I carry them:
  • 1911s (3) full mags and chamber, cocked and locked.
    Bersa UCP 9 - full mags and chamber - safety on
    P89DC - full mags and chamber - de-cocked

I don't keep empty fire extinguishers around, either.
 
I never carry one in the chamber. it just is my way of doing things, no kids in the home, but i practice drawing and racking slide while aquiring my target. works well for me, and keeps me deliberate in my actions of drawing my firearm to begin with. and its only about a 2 second draw to target aquisition so i can live with that. if not, then i be dead.
 
mkmag said:
Pale Horse said:
Glock 19, 19 round magazine inserted and one in the pipe.

Not only do I not want to rack the slide and invite a potential FTF while groggy but racking the slide makes noise. I don't like making noise if I think I might need to shoot someone.

I understand the noise thing, but the added safety it provides with children in the house is well worth it to me. And while there may be a slight benefit in your element of surprise, I believe I already have the upper hand anyway - I know the layout of my home far better than any intruder can. Plus...

If the BG hears the slide rack and leaves with his tail between his legs - Advatage ME.

If the BG hears the slide rack and knows this is going to be a fight, starts second guessing himself, getting nervous and shaky with adrenaline, while I routinely practice shooting after doing 20 jumping jacks and 20 pushups to get slightly winded and my heart rate pounding - Advantage ME.

Anyone stupid enough to stay in my home after hearing that slide rack is leaving full of holes......

This post put me over the top. I have been waiting to add my personal storage status, wanting to hear eveyone elses without contamination from me. Having said that... currently we are a loaded mag and empty chamber couple, gun safe in the night stand. Why?... well for much the same reasons as was stated above. Great Post!

Most criminals are oppotunistic... most don't want a fight, especially a fight that is advantage to me. They want control and the upper hand and they want it from the start. They couldn't ever get it in real life, so they decided to take it from people at their most vulnerable times. Point being, many intruders would probably exit stage front door if they heard a slide racking. And this actually makes my wife feel a bit better if I am not at home. She can rack a slide, and would much rather have that be enough of an exit motivator than having to pull the trigger. My LE 1/2 brother has a pistol grip shotgun (among many others), bigger bang and louder rack noise, and he says noise counts. Again, most criminals don't want a fair fight, and losing the element of vulnerable surprise that they were hoping for can sometimes be a deterant in and of itself to them.

I have never thought about getting myself physically winded/pumped before shooting. Excellent tip there mkmag! I will try that! (oh, and the only reason I ask where you store your gun is because so many people seem to offer it in their posts. no offence meant by it.)

Anyway, the other advantage is that it is my house, I know the lay out, as MK mentioned. On top of that, (again, another tip from my LE 1/2 brother... he does SWAT type stuff as well, which is where this comes from I think) I lay out tactical advantages for myself. I have a bedroom toward the fron of the house at the end of a hallway. Tactically, if someone was in that room, I would be at a disadvantage going there if all was dark. I thought about leaving the hall light on, but quickly realized the shadows would tip of the criminal that I was coming down the hall. But, leaving that bedroom light on (it is an office/guestroom, so the light on is not a problem), the shadows would actually then tip me off if anyone is between the light in the room and the doorway; in other words if they are coming at me or not. This is one example of how I set things up in my favor. Some would say this is a little much, and it is definitely not fool proof, but some would say having a firearm is a little much too, not to mention coneal carrying it. I personally think it is irresponsible to not take such precautions when the understanding of how they could benefit you and your family has passed through your mind.

BUT... I have not yet voted. Why not? Because, I am pretty sure that my vote will change to full mag and loaded chamber, trigger pull away. We should be having a kid here in the next year or so (if my little Phelps' can swim for pregnancy gold), and that changes things for me. I have my firearm in a handgun safe, and practice getting it in the dark. Same procedure I practice repeatedly each week. I have the gun, racked, pointed and extra mag in my pocket with-in 5 - 6 seconds. (another tactical thought, I always were shorts to bed that have pockets in the them since sleeping on a holster with my spare mag in it would really complicate life way too much.) Anyway, the firearm is in the safe, so I don't need to worry about kids getting at it. But, the last thing I want is some oppourtunistic criminal hearing my slide rack and then dashing into the first bedroom he sees... possibly creating a hostage situation or worse, with my kid now involved.

Again, some would say this is a little much. And I say that same thing at times when I read the headlines about what some of these folks do. I once saw that show about criminals who are locked up (was playing on a public TV), and this guy was bragging from prison about how he loved to bust into a home in the wee morning hours with a bunch of other armed guys. House Alarm, no problem. Just force the homeowner at gun point to say it was a false alarm. And then he said he would have time to do what he wanted, the police were not coming. Ok, so my one gun might not be able to stop that gang of armed thugs, but I sure can use the advantage of having planned for things before they might happen. That could seriously put the bad guy and a disadvantage. So right now, noise is good. Once a children begin to fill the other rooms, then noise is bad. Then a rail flashlight and a CT laser grip (come on CT, love the SR9), would be the way to go for me. Then instead of the slide racking, the intruder would be welcomed with a red laser letting him know he is in trouble (or that I am a college professor, well, I have time to think this all through!)

Thanks all... anyway, keep your votes and stories coming... Speak to me sway me to your side of the Home defense force
 
My Wife and I both carry S&W J frames hers is an airweight w/ CT grips I have the J frame MP 357 tritium sight but still shoot +P ammo as I found the 158 mag too much I also have a XD 40 cal ready to go in the safe in the bedroom which is opened every night for quick access. Cannon will be putting a new safe in soon so we can get back to normal. Believe I'm going to add a ready to shoot mini 14 and a 10/22 in same condition as well since crime is getting worse in my area.
 
My SP101 is in the night stand ready to go.

When the grandkids visit it goes into a little safe in the nightstand drawer with a bio-metric lock that my wife and I are the only ones it will open for
 

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