A New Project

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Well Guys
If you came to this post expecting to read about me fixing up an old Ruger. Ya came to the wrong post. Besides I have realized working on Old Rugers is way to hard. :lol:
This post is about fixing up "The Mighty Mouse", which is a 1979 Camaro Berlinetta with less than 25k on the clock
So if ya want to hear a car story. Climb in shut up and hang on. We are going for a ride. :wink:
So just a little info for you to set the stage.
First off the name comes from Chevy Small Blocks being called Mouse Motors and the Big Blocks are called Rat Motors. So a strong Mouse Motor = "The Mighty Mouse"
This was my Son's first car. It has been in my hangar for the last 20 years because when he decided to be a Naval Aviator he couldn't take it with him. Well now that grandson is close to becoming a pedal to the metal Kid. Like father like Son and Granddad. I have decided to get "The Mouse" out of retirement and running again. I have about 18 months to complete this project. I hope this will be enough time for this old fart to finish it.
OK For all you Car Guys/Gear Heads this is what it is.
!979 Camaro with a Stroker 383 that we built up makes around 400-425HP. The original 305 was replaced with the 383 that we build up with a 4-bolt main 350 block, 400ci crank and rods, 750 Vac.Secondary Holley on a 2101 Performer Intake, 280 Comp's Solid Lift Cam and roller Rockers, Flat top pistons, 76CC heads with 2.02/1.90 valves, windage tray, headers, and a 4 core radiator with flex fan. Drive train is a 350 turbo with a shift kit and a Trans Am Disk Brake rear end with 3:90 gears. Makes a lot of torque and tops out at 5500RPM and will run on pump gas
This set up will run 13.5-14.0 sec in the quarter with 9" slicks. Not fast but it was fast enough at the time and we could go to the track with the AC on. Now that is a big plus in a Texas summer.
Well now a little History on "The Mouse".
My Son Trey was lucky enough to be able to work as "Kid Friday" in our Air Park from age 11 until 16. His duties were mowing, sweeping out hangars, washing and waxing planes, helping putting in flower beds and anything folks needed him to do. These jobs allowed him to average $300-$400 a month. One neighbor kept him on a $200 a month retainer.
So when he was 15 this car became available from a neighbor. We had been car WINDOW shopping for awhile. So it was Dad may I buy this car? It's real nice and only has 10,000 miles on it. "Sure Kid how much money ya got"? Well we went to the bank and I co-signed a loan for him. The car was $10,000 and he had a pretty good down payment for it and income for payments and insurance.
Problem was he wasn't old enough to drive at 15.
When he turned 16 and could drive, he got a job at a little Airport with a flight school and repair shop about 4 miles away from us.
This job changed his life. His duties were running the flight school and gassing the planes on weekends along with mowing, He would help the airport owner work on planes and engines, after school. The best part was flight instructors gave him FREE lessons and the owner let him use the plans. So all he had to do was pay for the gas.
So from this start he became a Naval Aviator with a BS in Aviation Management with 3 years of Mechanical engineering along with a FAA Aircraft and Engine Mechanics License and an Airline Transport License. So he has Military and General Aviation backgrounds.
So after driving for about 6 months. Trey asked "Dad can we paint the car? I'm getting tired of driving around in a woman's grocery getter" My answer " Sure Kid how much money ya got"? So we started a painting project. This allowed him to learn paint and body stuff. Best part is I didn't have to sand. his job.
Well in the next year he comes to me again. "Hey Dad I sure am getting tired of getting beat by those new 302 Mustangs. I Sure want to go faster." No problem Kid how much money ya got? Just how fast do you want to go"?
"Gee Dad fast enough to beat the kids with the new 302 Mustangs and the Vetts."
Well as they say. The rest is History.
OK now on to the PROJECT. It's time to get your hands DIRTY.
The first thing to do was to make sure the Eng. would run after setting for 18 years. So I took out the plugs, squerted in WD-40, put in a new battery and disconnected the fuel line at the pump. Well it turned over and made oil pressure. So now time to pump out the old gas, flush the fuel lines and replace the rubber lines and rebuild the carb. Well now we got electrons and fuel. Time to change the oil and filter and add new oil along with Marvel Mystery Oil.
Well low and behold the dang thing started right up and ran. Not great but good enough for now. Still need to drop the gas tank and clean/flush it and replace the rubber lines on it. So far the brake system has been replaced. New Master cylinder, rotors, calipers, pads and flex. lines.
Well now we need to make sure we don't over heat, so on to the cooling system. Yea I could tell something was amiss when it first ran,
Need to install anew radiator since coolant has been setting in it a long time. Water pump and intake manifold have been removed and inspected. All new hoses and intake manifold.
Now while we have a lot of the big parts and hoses off the Eng. it's time to get out the soap and water for clean-up. Then we can start spraying on some fresh black paint in the Eng. compartment.
Boy I'm exhausted from all this work. Time to wash up and get a BEER or three.
The future plan is once every thing is running and rolling, is to replace the Turbo 350 with a 700R4 Overdrive Transmission. Then I will sand down the paint and spray on some fresh clear. Will be about time for new tires then.
Now that should just about complete the RESTORATION OF "The Mighty Mouse"
My biggest regret of this project is that my Son and Grandson are not here to help. Well that is one of the drawbacks of having a Military Family. :(
Grandson doesn't know I'm doing this and that he will be paying for the parts. Son had to, so Grandson has to step up to the starting line. Just the way this family does stuff. :roll:

More to come.
Jim
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The Grocery Getter
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New Paint
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Now we can go FAST
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The project
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Wish I was there to pass you wrenches......No wrenching up here in the NNW, based on zero degrees and a 25 mile per hr North wind...........Hiding out in the house trying to keep my mouth shut to avoid trouble........Not good at this..... :shock: .
 
Well you old fart, I'm not old enough to have grandkids but that project reminds me of when my sone bought his great grandma's '74 Chevelle and we did about the same type of thing. He kept begging for the 383 stroker setting on the engine stand but with it pushing the HP it does, we freshened up the top end of a little 305 and let him have fun with that. It is too bad the grandson isn't there to help with the project but the look on his face when he gets tossed the keys will be priceless.

Take care Chief!

Robb
 
Great show and tell. I have dealt with bracket racing and strong cars since the late '70s. I have restored more than a few and enjoy the smell of c-12 racing fuel and still love the sound of a solid lifter hp engine. Thanks for sharing your story. Gary
 
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Great story, Jim! :wink:

May I offer some advice that I know you prolly won't take?

If this is going to be the grandson's first car, yank that stroker 383 and put it in the corner of the hangar under a tarp for a while. Drop in a stone-stock 305, 307, 283, or something along those lines, preferably a 2-barrel. That will be MORE than enough to get him started. Tell him that if he can go a year without any accidents, moving violations, etc with the little motor, you'll put the 383 back in it for him.

That'll be a big incentive for him to drive carefully and take care of the thing. :wink:
 
I like Snakes thinking here. Wouldn't hurt to have an LS6 in the corner just in case he really screws up and granpaw gets to drive!!! Dr.C
 
Hey Guys,

I know what you guys are saying for sure. I had the same concerns when Trey was driving and racing. He has never put a ding on a car or plane. The Grandson is like both of us in that he is anel about taking care of stuff

Ya got to remember Son and Grandson have and are growing up with an Aviators way of thinking. It is hard to explain but it is a thinking way ahead of what can happen.

Grandson plans on soloing quite a few planes on his 16Th birthday. From a twin to my biplane. I'm really not to worried about his judgment. Hell he may be to busy flying to go drive "The Mouse". Besides he has already driven my 96 Vette and his dad's 92 six speed with the blower.
I just hope The Mouse isn't a let down :lol: I'm sure it won't be since i told him it would out run his Dad's Vette but not mine :lol:

OK Maybe I need to build up a LS-6. Just no substitute for cubic inches period.

Thanks Guys,

Jim
 
Hey Jim, I was wondering where you had been hanging out, hadn't heard from you in quite a while. That sounds like a really neat project, you are one talanted son of a GUN!
In 1986 when my oldest son was a senior in high school I noticed a really clean, one owner 1964 Chevelle for sale, the dealer was taking bids on the car, I bid one dollar a year....$1964 & won the bid, I backed it onto the car port & when he got home from school (his birthday) I had a happy birthday sign on the window, he was one happy teenager!

Dick
 
Hey Jim,

Why don't you hitch that puppy to that motor home and bring it to Fredericksburg in April so we can all see it up close? Great pics and great story.

Bkat
 
I hate you. No, really, I hate you. I absolutely LOVE the older Camaros and Firebirds and you have to go posting things like this.

Seriously, very nice car. Although, we need better pics to make an accurate judgment. Better yet, you can send it to me and I'll give my non-biased opinion after driving it for, oh 4 or 5 years or so.

WAY BACK WHEN, an uncle had a Camaro Rally Sport (I think I remember the model right, special black and yellow paint job, can't remember what motor but it was QUICK!!!). He fell onto some hard times and drove it for as long as he could as a daily driver after he wrecked his pickup, then sold it for something like $500.00 after it got to the point where he couldn't afford gas for it anymore. I WISH I'd have known, I'd have bought it and kept it in storage or something until I had a garage to work on it. From what I heard from relatives, it needed a LOT of work, but for $500.00, it would have been well worth it.

Bub
 
Well Jim, you know what they say about Camaros - Everybody has one. But that one is sure exceptional! Lotsa love in that car, for sure.

From what I've seen working and playing with Chad, he's going to treat it right - and whup some Mustang ass in the bargain.
 
Wyandot Jim said:
I just hope The Mouse isn't a let down :lol: I'm sure it won't be since i told him it would out run his Dad's Vette but not mine :lol:

OK Maybe I need to build up a LS-6. Just no substitute for cubic inches period.

Thanks Guys,

Jim
Jim
Juss takes some wood and nails to build a crate and ship it down to Texas. Might not go far on a tank but it will go fast. He could get to where he's going and have a couple of beers down before the rest of you show up. Juss holler if ya want it. 526 cu. in. Rodeck (solid block and heads) 14-71 Hi-Helix Supercharger- runs on alcohol. Sent my Pro-Mod 55 211mph. in the quarter. Neat story and I'll bet he appreciates getting to drive his Dad's old ride.
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jussbad said:
Wyandot Jim said:
I just hope The Mouse isn't a let down :lol: I'm sure it won't be since i told him it would out run his Dad's Vette but not mine :lol:

OK Maybe I need to build up a LS-6. Just no substitute for cubic inches period.

Thanks Guys,

Jim
Jim
Juss takes some wood and nails to build a crate and ship it down to Texas. Might not go far on a tank but it will go fast. He could get to where he's going and have a couple of beers down before the rest of you show up. Juss holler if ya want it. 526 cu. in. Rodeck (solid block and heads) 14-71 Hi-Helix Supercharger- runs on alcohol. Sent my Pro-Mod 55 211mph. in the quarter. Neat story and I'll bet he appreciates getting to drive his Dad's old ride.
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Yep now we are talking HP. WOW
Yea ya get either a blower or Cubic Inches. Well both together work pretty good also.
We put a Vortec blower on Trey's 92 LT-1 Vette. Made it run great and picked up 100HP. I think it olny makes 8-10 pounds of boost.
Trey wanted to put that B&M blower on The Mouse but never got around to it.
Take care,
Jim
 
M'BOGO said:
Are you going to hand him the bill, or the keys first Jim?

That's some good stuff all around.

Haven't thought about it. Knowing him the way I do. That Kid is tighter than bark on a tree :wink: I had better let him drive it first. Ya drive it ya bought it :lol: Now pay up.
Jim
 
Thanks Jim.

The top car is a nailhead powered '33 Ford (0.060" 401, 12:1, big cam, two quads, straight linkage, and it all goes thru a Super T-10 4-speed). Light little ride (as in 2,200 lbs) with a ton of torque so it flies.

The middle one is a tube chassis '64 Chevy II. Power by way of a heavily sprayed 540 BBC

The yellow Nova is a car my friend and I bracket race. Runs low 6.0's in the 1/8 on motor.
 
Lee Martin said:
Thanks Jim.

The top car is a nailhead powered '33 Ford (0.060" 401, 12:1, big cam, two quads, straight linkage, and it all goes thru a Super T-10 4-speed). Light little ride (as in 2,200 lbs) with a ton of torque so it flies.

The middle one is a tube chassis '64 Chevy II. Power by way of a heavily sprayed 540 BBC

The yellow Nova is a car my friend and I bracket race. Runs low 6.0's in the 1/8 on motor.

Ya know most folks just don't relize what strong cars/engines Buick made. Ya just don't see many in hot rods. Way to go. What a great looking 50s Rod.
From growing up in the Mid 50s. That Sir is what a hot rod looks like.
Those REAL fat tires on the back of those others tells me I'm not going to mess we you in "THE MOUSE"
Thanks so much for your post.
Jim

PS Today was the start of cleaning up the eng. compartment :( I have all the parts stripped out and will start repainting soon
 
Wyandot Jim said:
That Sir is what a hot rod looks like.

Thanks Jim. I'm really pleased with how it turned out. My dad got into hot rods around 1957 so he's been a big influence on me. Here's a shot of the car from the rear (the back tires are slicks so it hooks pretty good on the street):

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Keep us posted on your project. I really like that era Camaro and yours should be a real sleeper.
 
The problem with the Mouse was getting it to hook up. The Eng makes a lot of low end torque combined with the 390 gears. Had problems with 9" slicks also. Finally Trey bought a set of Centerline rims and L-50-15 Mickey Thompson street and strip tires. Theses were off when I took the latest pictures. We also had to had air shocks on the rear to get clearance



How long have you had your Rod finished? Looking good.

Jim
 
I finished the '33 in May of 2008 so it's been on the road two years. Like you, mine runs a 9" Ford with 3.89 cogs and a locker. It'll spin from a cold stop, but put a little heat in the tires and the front-end comes off the ground.
 
Have you taken it to the track yet? If so what does that light weight run in the quarter? Really doesn't matter that much just curious.
Sure looks good.
I spent more time today taking off parts in the Eng. compartment of the Mouse. Have a lot of cleaning to do before I paint them.
Jim
 
Haven't put a pass on it yet. The motor dyno'd over 400 hp with 510 ft/lbs of torque. ET calculators (not that they're always accurate) claim 10.80 with that power and 2,200 lb weight. If I had to guess, I'd say high-11's with a good 60 foot.
 
And Lee's '33 will make everyone's heart long....

Autorama's next month, that is just sensory overload. I heard they've moved the Meadowbrook Concours De Elegance. But I prefer the the personalized rods, to the Duesenberg's. Some of the Cords and Hudson's though...
 
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