6mm Creedmoor

[kodiakisland]

Any news of Ruger chambering the 6mm Creedmoor now that Hornady is factory loading it? I'd really be interested in the RPR in this chambering.

http://www.hornady.com/store/6mm-Creedmoor-108-gr-ELD-Match/

 

[gtxmonte]

Why? The 6mm Creedmoor won't do anything a .243 won't and they already make that

 

[pruger45]

Do you mean the 6.5 Creedmoor?

 

[Kanook]

pruger45

Do you mean the 6.5 Creedmoor?

http://precisionrifleblog.com/tag/6mm-creedmoor/

http://www.hornady.com/store/6mm-Rem-95-gr-SST-Superformance/

 

[Dranrab]

Why? The 6mm Creedmoor won't do anything a .243 won't and they already make that

Why? Probably because it will offer all the advantages the 6.5 does over the 260 Remington. Granted, for the average shooter those advantages won't make any difference, but all the little advantages can add up. Especially if you want to get into long distance competition shooting but don't hand load. There's nothing magic about the Creedmoor. Just a lot of little details done right.

I have always loved my 22 Creedmoors.

 

[BlkHawk73]

Why? The 6mm Creedmoor won't do anything a .243 won't and they already make that

So I guess every other cartridge is only offering performance expressly unique to itself and no other cartridges overlap or offer the same or verrrry close performance to another. Good to know. :roll:

 

[22/45 Fan]

Why? The 6mm Creedmoor won't do anything a .243 won't and they already make that

So I guess every other cartridge is only offering performance expressly unique to itself and no other cartridges overlap or offer the same or verrrry close performance to another. Good to know. :roll:

The Creedmore cartridges are designed with long necks to support long, heavy for caliber, high BC bullets properly while staying within OAL limits. This is an advantage for long range accuracy. The .243 Win (and 260 Rem for that matter) have relatively short necks.

 

[5of7]

The Creedmore cartridges are designed with long necks to support long, heavy for caliber, high BC bullets properly while staying within OAL limits. This is an advantage for long range accuracy. The .2432 Win (and 260 Rem for that matter) have relatively short necks.

This is why I always have preferred the 6MM Remington over the .243 Winchester. The longer neck and the 1:9 twist of


the 6MM promoted a somewhat better accuracy potential and, while accuracy is 99% rifle and 1% cartridge (in most cases), Even in field guns I have always gotten a little better groups with the 6.*

*My experience has been far from scientific, but it has spanned over 40 years of shooting out-of-the-box rifles off the bench rest and measuring groups carefully. TIFWYTIW**

**Take it for whatever you think it's worth. 8)

 

[gtxmonte]

Why? The 6mm Creedmoor won't do anything a .243 won't and they already make that

So I guess every other cartridge is only offering performance expressly unique to itself and no other cartridges overlap or offer the same or verrrry close performance to another. Good to know. :roll:

Well I knew that comment would be along and that is NOT what I said.

The 6mm Creedmoor and the 243 are virtually identical cartridges. The Creedmoor being only slightly shorter with a bit more neck length. Some feel the Creedmoor's longer neck allows the case to stabilize the long heavy bullets better.........some don't. Both calibers have proven themselves time and time again at long ranges and in competition shooting. So to most shooters it's considered a wash and Ruger already chambers the RPR in 243

I know all about overlap. I have a 243, a 243 Ackley, a 6mm, a 6mm Ackley, a 6mm Creedmoor and also a 6.5 Creedmoor in various rifles

The RPR is built for a certain thing, which is entry level shooting in the Precision Shooting series. You don't chamber an entry level rifle in a hard to find loading. That's why it chambered in 243, 308 and 6.5 Creedmoor. Easy to find and available rounds. Many have no idea a 6mm Creedmoor even exists..............as seen in this thread.

Not that it matters, but my favorite round of all these mentioned in my 6mmAI. Its an absolute hammer out to about 1200 yards

 

[kodiakisland]

Why? The 6mm Creedmoor won't do anything a .243 won't and they already make that

Rifles should be twisted correctly from the start, somewhat longer barrel life, and better OAL for short actions when using VLD bullets, which is the only reason to have the 6 Creed. Plus, I've always liked the 6X250.

If the litmus test for new cartridges was what does it do differently, we would have stopped getting new cartridges in the 20s.

 

[kodiakisland]

Why? The 6mm Creedmoor won't do anything a .243 won't and they already make that

So I guess every other cartridge is only offering performance expressly unique to itself and no other cartridges overlap or offer the same or verrrry close performance to another. Good to know. :roll:

Well I knew that comment would be along and that is NOT what I said.

The 6mm Creedmoor and the 243 are virtually identical cartridges. The Creedmoor being only slightly shorter with a bit more neck length. Some feel the Creedmoor's longer neck allows the case to stabilize the long heavy bullets better.........some don't. Both calibers have proven themselves time and time again at long ranges and in competition shooting. So to most shooters it's considered a wash and Ruger already chambers the RPR in 243

I know all about overlap. I have a 243, a 243 Ackley, a 6mm, a 6mm Ackley, a 6mm Creedmoor and also a 6.5 Creedmoor in various rifles

The RPR is built for a certain thing, which is entry level shooting in the Precision Shooting series. You don't chamber an entry level rifle in a hard to find loading. That's why it chambered in 243, 308 and 6.5 Creedmoor. Easy to find and available rounds. Many have no idea a 6mm Creedmoor even exists..............as seen in this thread.

Not that it matters, but my favorite round of all these mentioned in my 6mmAI. Its an absolute hammer out to about 1200 yards

First, Ruger does not make the RPR in .243 anymore. Second, have you been to a PRS match? Lots of 6 Creeds showing up, so I guess the people that would shoot them do know what they are. Like anything else, if you don't want one, don't get one. Doesn't mean others wouldn't have a use for it. More choices are a good thing.

 

[kodiakisland]

Well, looks like Ruger is going to chamber the 6mm Creedmoor.

https://ruger-hosted.s3.amazonaws.com/email/18016-Specs-91415957a1c6510a.pdf

 

[gtxmonte]

Well that's fine and the 6mm Creedmoor is a fine round. My point above was there wasn't much sense in having THAT rifle in both 243 AND 6mm Creedmoor. But it appears they decided to drop the 243 in favor of the Creedmoor and that's fine. Makes sense though if guys are showing up with customs in 6CM. Guys want to buy what winners shoot. Even though it is way more than caliber choice that puts you on the podium.

Yes, I have been to a couple PRS matches..........wasn't my thing. I competed with a custom on Remington action in 6mmAI. Did fine, gave it a try, not my thing.

 

[rangerbob]

My 2 cents worth. The 243 was designed 6 decades ago for a light kicking dual purpose varmint/deer hunting round from the then new 308 Winchester case. The 260 appeared some 20 years ago with a pedigree in long range shooting as a wildcat round touted by Remington, when introduced, to deliver 270 range and power in a short action rifle. Both do what they were designed to do. Both Creedmoors were designed from the ground up as long range precision hole punchers or steel bangers ) with probably more research and development time and T&E than either of the other 2 combined. If I'm not mistaken, Warren Page and Jim Carmichael wildcatted both, used them, wrote about them, and WW and Big Green simply copied them. By contrast, the guys at Hornady started with a clean sheet of paper and designed from the ground up, with an exact idea of what they were trying to do. That's why the Creedmoors work as advertised. Of course, the 6.5 Creedmoor makes a fine hunting round, but so does the 260, the 6.5X55, or 6.5/284. Bob!

 

[ndcowboy]

I'm happy to see another caliber. I am a big fan of the 243. Kind of doubt I'll ever get a 6mm Creedmoor, but you never know.
If need had anything to do with it, we'd all own a lot less!

 

[The Preacher]

If I'm correct the Creedmoors (6.5/6mm) are nothing more then the 250 Savage AI necked up. It is what it is and nothing more.

The Preacher

 

[BlkHawk73]

Guess they are!

"Sturm, Ruger & Company, Inc. (NYSE-RGR) is proud to announce the introduction of two rifles chambered in 6mm Creedmoor: the popular Ruger Precision Rifle® and the full-featured Ruger American Rifle® Predator.

The Ruger Precision Rifle, purpose-built for long-range precision shooting, is the perfect match for the 6mm Creedmoor cartridge. A relative newcomer to the market, the Ruger Precision Rifle has quickly become a standard in the long-range shooting sports. It is highly sought after for its combination of an accuracy-enhancing in-line recoil path, easy configurability with AR-style components, cold-hammer forged 5R-rifled barrel, adjustable trigger, and modest cost. The Ruger Precision Rifle chambered in 6mm Creedmoor with a 1:7.7" twist and 24" barrel provides long-range shooters with cutting edge technology in both rifle and cartridge."

 

[22/45 Fan]

If I'm correct the Creedmoors (6.5/6mm) are nothing more then the 250 Savage AI necked up. It is what it is and nothing more.

Well, the parent case is the 30TC which is based on the 300 Savage so, yes, it's also a modified 250-3000 Savage.

 

[gtxmonte]

The 6.5 Creedmoor is NOT a "ground up" round as someone said earlier. The 30TC, which is based on a 300 Savage, was developed by Hornady for the Thompson Center Icon rifle. The round nor the rifle took off. They necked the case down and released the 6.5 Creedmoor shortly after.

The 6.5 Creedmoor is a great round and I own a rifle chambered for it. But in the real world, there isn't a nickels worth of difference in it vs a 260 Remington or a 6.5x47 Lapua

 

[kodiakisland]

The 6.5 Creedmoor is a great round and I own a rifle chambered for it. But in the real world, there isn't a nickels worth of difference in it vs a 260 Remington or a 6.5x47 Lapua

Well, there are differences, but it is more in the rifles and applications, not the down range performance. The 6 creed actually offers a real difference over other factory 6mms. A factory .243 and factory ammo will not shoot long range with a factory 6 creed with factory ammo. The best you can say is a custom fast twist .243 and reloads will do everything a factory 6 creed with factory ammo will.

I'm not getting rid of my .243, but I will be adding a 6 creed for LR shooting as it will beat my .243 in down range performance all day long.

Also remember, most people shoot factory ammo in factory rifles. The number of fast twist .243s from the factory is pretty slim and I doubt there will be many offerings in factory ammo with bullets that aren't stable in most .243s.

The best reason (and all you need) is that you want one. Why is any other reason needed?

 

[dfletcher]

I have a 6.5 Creedmoor (Ruger 77V) and a 6mm Remington (700 VLS) and 260 Remington (Encore) and were I to add a 6mm Creedmoor in the RPR and go to the range I'd probably not find much difference between the four. From what I read the shorter, greater capacity case of the Creedmoor with long neck allow for deeper seating of heavier bullets without intruding, but allow for a shorter, stiffer action. That's the theory anyway. I'm up to about 80 cartridges for reloading and would probably stick with the 6.5. To each his own I suppose.

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