.454 Casull/.45 Colt questions

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I just bought a Freedom Arms .454 Casull that was suppose to have a .45 Colt cylinder that turned out to be a .45 Auto....I'm geared to the .45 Colt and that was why I bought the gun...are there any issues running .45 Colt through the .454 Casull cylinder...? any thoughts or suggestions would be appreciated...
 
I have a Taurus and shoot both. My UNDERSTANDING is that you can do it but it MUST be cleaned after each shooting to remove the lead buildup due to the high pressures.
 
Nothing around here in .45.. But I'm there with .44spec and .44mag. As BearBio says, clean after every shooting of shorter brass thru longer chambered cylinder. If you keep a build up from forming, you will be safe. stevemb
 
This quote is taken straight from the FA website, instruction manual pdf.

"The use of .45 Long Colt ammunition in 454 Casull
chambers is NOT recommended. An optional .45 Long Colt
cylinder is available for your Freedom Arms® revolver
chambered in 454 Casull."

This has been discussed before and the reason for this caution now escapes me, but suffice to say, Freedom Arms says not to shoot 45 Colt in the 454 cylinder.
 
Another data point -

The Ruger Redhawk Alaskan's are marked 454 Casull or 45 Colt right on the barrel.

If it were mine, I'd shoot 45 Colt in my 454 Casull and clean out the crud ring just like I do when I shoot 38's out of my 357's.

If you reload, you can by-pass the whole question by using 454 Casull brass loaded to 45 Colt levels.
 
Here's a picture - not the greatest quality, but still readable of the label on the Alaskan's barrel.

http://www.shootingtimes.com/files/2010/09/strgrrh3.jpg
 
Maybe it's just me, but I just can't see that the barrel of a Ruger is the place to find what I is, or is not recommended to shoot in a Freedom Arms Revolver. But that's just me..........
 
Maybe I'm too cautious, but I'd wouldn't do something the gun manufacturer recommends against.

They wouldn't offer a different cylinder if there wasn't a good reason. Maybe it's the tighter tolerances FA used in the cylinder.

I have a FA 454 I bought way back in 1986 when there was only one FA caliber available. The warning against using 45 colt was in the manual that came with the gun even then -- and as far as I remember there was no 45 colt cylinder even available back then.

I've been considering getting a 45 ACP cylinder for my FA 454 as that would enable me to use low cost ammo. I may order the 45 colt cylinder at the same time. (you need to send the gun back to Wyoming to have cylinders hand fitted).

Dave
 
They'll say they have have a .45 Colt cylinder for you to buy. What do you expect them to say ? Truly, FA is the last word on what to use in the firearm they made, and sold to you. Advice was given, its your call now. stevemb
 
The tolerances are so tight on a FA gun, that if you run 45 Colt in the 454 cylinder you're going to have trouble chambering the longer 454 ammo after that... this is what they'll tell you. If you decide to go ahead and shoot the 45 Colt in your 454 cylinder, well, that's your decision.

Me, I'd follow their advice.
 
Just load your 454 brass to 45 colt levels. That's what I do in my Alaskan 454, same with my my 44mags and 357 mags. If I want 45-70 performance out of my Ruger #1 458 winmag, I down load those too.

Doesn't answer your question but this offers you an alternative if you can't sleep at night. I'm sure like someone else said, the FA probably has tighter tolerance than the Ruger Alaskan and FA fears someone just won't get it clean enough to shoot 454s and will blow up a cylinder.

Buy a few hundred 454 brass, they'll last a long time at 45cold levels.
 
To digress, the .45 ACP cylinder is a GREAT option on a single action .45 Colt or .454 Casull. Vastly simpler to use .45 ACP in single action frame than in a double action. If as you suggest the ACP cylinder is an FA mistake, advise you call and ask FA to fit .45 Colt cylinder, priced as time-of-purchase option. And ask FA to cover shipping.

Should you find yourself shooting at a indoor range, or introducing a youngster or newcomer to handgunning, you will celebrate having kept the .45 ACP cylinder.
David Bradshaw
 
[/quote]They'll say they have have a .45 Colt cylinder for you to buy. What do you expect them to say ? Truly, FA is the last word on what to use in the firearm they made, and sold to you. Advice was given, its your call now. stevemb....
I bought the gun off Gunbroker from an outfit in NC, they advertised it as a .45 LC cylinder..I am trying to find all my options..I called the folks I bought it from on Friday and waiting for a call back (management decision)..they my credit my card with some bucks, we'll see...most of the questions that I would ask FA have been answered by this great board.... thanks
 
Last week FA quoted me a price of $405 to fit either a 45LC or a 45ACP cylinder to my gun. Or $810 for both.

So maybe asking them to reimburse you $400 for their mistake might be worth a shot.
 
The reason FA recommends against it it for a couple reasons...

1) Their cylinder chambers are very, very TIGHT! Tighter than any other factory gun... meaning;
2) The fouling/carbon ring inside the .454 cylinder will be shorter when shooting .45 Colt... and then;
3) When and if you're able to chamber a .454 past that ring. it will cause a "pinch point"... and pressures will spike.

IF you clean all 5 of the chambers in the cylinder really good after shooting 45 Colt, and BEFORE shooting any 454 you will be fine... ask me how i know? Because I have a FA 83 in 454 and I've been doing it in that gun for 20 years... and thousands of rounds... but that's just me and I won't recommend to anyone else doing anything the mfg does not recommend... so in the end do what you feel comfortable and safe in doing... and nothing less.
 
Here is the definitive answer regarding use of the .45 Colt in the Freedom Arms 454 cyl.. Post #20 from Bob Baker (owner of Freedom Arms) on Graybeard’s forum.

http://www.go2gbo.com/forums/index.php/topic,189645.msg1099239979.html#msg1099239979
Title: Re: using a 45LC in a 454
Post by: Bob Baker on January 13, 2011, 09:10:34 AM
The 45 Colt is .100 shorter than the 454 Casull. When shooting the 45C in 454 chambers, lead and powder residue is left in the chamber just ahead of the case. This build up of residue can restrict chambering the longer 454 cartridge and can cause excess pressure by not allowing the crimp of the 454 to easily open up to allow the bullet to exit the case.

Another potential problem is when the revolver is cooling down after firing it collects moisture. This moisture mixed with the lead and powder residue creates an acid which can etch the chamber underneath the lead and powder residue. With this condition, even if the residue is cleaned out of the chamber, the longer 454 case will now stick in the etched area of the chamber when fired and can be difficult to remove depending on the amount of etching. Over the years we have seen this problem more from guns in high humidity areas than from low humidity areas but it still occurs in the low humidity areas.

For some folks this seems to be an emotional issue and some folks even claim that all we are trying to do make extra money on extra cylinders. What we are actually trying to do is help our customers get the most trouble free life from their FA revolver as possible. I know of some customers that have shot thousands of 45C rounds in their 454 chambers with no problems but they thoroughly clean the gun when finished shooting. Other customers have ended up with one of the above problems fairly quick also. All we can do is put out the information, it is up to the individual what they do with the information."

FWIW,

Paul
 
Another way to fire .45 Colt in the Freedom Arms .454 Casull chamber.... Seat bullets deep in .454 Casull brass and crimp above the front band on cast SWC bullets, crimp on ogive of jacketed bullets, crimp on ogive of WFN-style bullets.

Prior to loading live ammo, make up dummy rounds with empty primer pocket. Check for smooth chambering of deep seated round.

The above saves cost of new cylinder, while allowing complete interchangeability of .45 Colt and .454 Casull----without the downtime of cleaning when switching from .45 Colt to .454 Casull.

There should be no crimp-jumping problem with .45 Colt loads.

Consider a .45 ACP cylinder for a Ruger or Casull single action a blessing.
David Bradshaw
 
I've only tried it in a couple of F/A 454's but on the ones I've tried the colt brass didn't fit in the F/A cylinders. Too tight. I was surprised as I haven't had a problem with my Alaskan. F/A are known for their tolerances. The specs for 45 Colt brass is all over the place.
 
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