dixie884
Blackhawk
I wonder what it would take to get Lipseys to produce one. Would an order for 500 do the trick?
.41spl flat top
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Hondo44
Hawkeye
Yes, a 6 shot mid frame FT would be nice. 500 might would do it but I don't know what Ruger's minimum would be on an 'exclusive' model. I think it would have to be a small amount for a model in a cartridge not commercially loaded and would have a small market.
Probably have to to be a plow handle grip as they have a bigger market demand than Bisley gripped guns. Then they'd have to decide on blue or stainless and 4 5/8" or 5 1/2".
Jason from Lipseys is a member of this forum. Hopefully he'll see this or you could add Lipseys in your thread title to get his attention. I know he has said there's a whole list of special models desired for exclusives on the list already.
Probably have to to be a plow handle grip as they have a bigger market demand than Bisley gripped guns. Then they'd have to decide on blue or stainless and 4 5/8" or 5 1/2".
Jason from Lipseys is a member of this forum. Hopefully he'll see this or you could add Lipseys in your thread title to get his attention. I know he has said there's a whole list of special models desired for exclusives on the list already.
Sugar River
Buckeye
Based on the numbers for other exclusives, I think 250 might be enough.
But the bigger, and likely insurmountable issue, is the chambering. Whenever I was visiting the Newport plant (in the '80s and 90s) the subject of "Why doesn't Ruger make this or that........." would often come up. And while some of the thoughts we kicked around have come to be, it was made abundantly clear that whatever Ruger made, it HAD to be a SAAMI standard cartridge.
Now the management has changed since them, but I don't detect any new found desire to jump into the wildcat business.
Maybe the best course would be to lobby SAAMI to adopt the 41 Special.
Pete
But the bigger, and likely insurmountable issue, is the chambering. Whenever I was visiting the Newport plant (in the '80s and 90s) the subject of "Why doesn't Ruger make this or that........." would often come up. And while some of the thoughts we kicked around have come to be, it was made abundantly clear that whatever Ruger made, it HAD to be a SAAMI standard cartridge.
Now the management has changed since them, but I don't detect any new found desire to jump into the wildcat business.
Maybe the best course would be to lobby SAAMI to adopt the 41 Special.
Pete
Lee Martin
Hunter
I'd be good for one or two. And since 41 Special isn't really offered by other manufacturers, they might sell well.
Had heard of the .41spec before, several times even. Always left me scratching my head in ownder. Know, having a FT .44spec and a NV Sheriif's,well, its making more sense. What are the possible loadings, ballistics ? steve b
Lee Martin
Hunter
41 Special doesn't offer anything over the 44 Special. It just makes the middle-bore crowd happy (myself included).
mhblaw
Blackhawk
I'm with Lee. I have a Bowen conversion of an OMBH in 41 Special and would certainly buy a NMFT medium frame in same caliber. IIRC, dixie884 was the one who got Starline to make up some brass. I did get some from him a while ago.
I am currently shooting 215g bullets at around 900 fps in my old model 357 conversion to 41 Special. So far I've only used the 41 mag cylinder in the Bowen #5 but as soon as I get some more 41 Specials loaded up I will be swapping cylinders on it and trying the same thing. Lee is right, it doesn't really offer anything over the 44 Special in the midframed guns but for us 41 phreaks it is a neat alternative. It is fun to see that more and more guys are having them made. I am having a New Vaquero done in 41 and am still debating if it will be 41 mag or 41 Special.
Jason at Lipsey's
Single-Sixer
Its a neat round, but until it becomes SAAMI spec'd and there is proof ammo available, it isn't going to happen.
Lee Martin
Hunter
Would be a great round in a Bulldog. A little more meat in the cylinder should help on the durability side.
CraigC
Hawkeye
They lucked out with the .44Spl, a 100yr old factory cartridge with a long, rich history, strong proponents like Elmer Keith, John Lachuk, Skeeter Skelton, John Taffin and Brian Pearce along with a loyal following of sixgun shooters. Same thing ain't gonna happen with a wildcat like the .41Spl. Though I'd buy one if they made it.
Well, personally, I would 'not' buy one. I don't even see the need for the .41Mag... let alone the .41Special. Not when you have the peanut .357/.38 on one side, and .44Mag/.44Spec on the other. I do have enough trouble just keeping my .44Spec and .45 Colt addiction fed 
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Lee Martin
Hunter
"Need" is such a strong word 
Some argue there's no need for 41 caliber. Apply that logic across the board and we don't need the 45 Colt (the 44 Magnum does the same thing). We don't need a 280 Remington because it duplicates the old 270 Win. Etc, etc.
Anyways, I doubt we'll see a 41 Special flattop but I like the idea. I do plan to convert a Talo 44 to 41 this winter. I'll probably chamber it as a magnum but it'll see Special level loads.
Some argue there's no need for 41 caliber. Apply that logic across the board and we don't need the 45 Colt (the 44 Magnum does the same thing). We don't need a 280 Remington because it duplicates the old 270 Win. Etc, etc.Anyways, I doubt we'll see a 41 Special flattop but I like the idea. I do plan to convert a Talo 44 to 41 this winter. I'll probably chamber it as a magnum but it'll see Special level loads.
Sugar River
Buckeye
steve b said:
Same weights as used in the 41 Mag, but about 200 f/s lower velocity.
220 @ 1200 is doable.
Pete
The vast majority of the people posting here realize this but let me state the "obvious" for those who do not. The "primary appeal" of the .41 Special is similar to the .44 Special. It can be chambered in guns which are slimmer and lighter than if the Magnums were chosen. So we got FT's in .44 Special on the .357 Magnum size frame. Rather than the larger and heavier .44 Magnum size frame. It's true that .41 Magnum leaves a bit more steel in the cylinder and barrel so some gunsmiths have put the .41 Magnum into smaller framed guns. But most don't want to do it. Enter the .41 Special. A 38/357 size frame but with a larger diameter bullet.
I will grant you that it logically harder to make the case for a .41 Special rather than a .44 Special. The bullet diameter is close. .410 compared to .429". But that does mean just a little more steel in the cylinder. It would be silly to buy a .41 Special and then turn around and try to load it like a Magnum, but your safe top end should be a little higher with the .41. IMO, the utility of the two Specials would be very close but it would still be appealing (to me) to have the much more unusual one.
I've wanted a .41 Special myself for a long time. Just been unwilling to pay the hefty custom work charges. If somehow somebody talked Ruger into making one, I would buy it just about regardless of configuration. If only to encourage them to make more!!
Gregg
I will grant you that it logically harder to make the case for a .41 Special rather than a .44 Special. The bullet diameter is close. .410 compared to .429". But that does mean just a little more steel in the cylinder. It would be silly to buy a .41 Special and then turn around and try to load it like a Magnum, but your safe top end should be a little higher with the .41. IMO, the utility of the two Specials would be very close but it would still be appealing (to me) to have the much more unusual one.
I've wanted a .41 Special myself for a long time. Just been unwilling to pay the hefty custom work charges. If somehow somebody talked Ruger into making one, I would buy it just about regardless of configuration. If only to encourage them to make more!!
Gregg
I'd buy one in 41 Special/41 mag as a limited release gun.
I really like the 41 Special on the GP100 posted above, too.
I would hope someone would come up with some more 41 Special marked brass.
If a 41 special did come out, though, what the devil would I do with this OM 357??? At first I thought about having it converted to 44 special, but then I got a Bisley 44 special flat top. Then I thought about getting it converted to 41 special. What would I convert it to if Ruger came out with a factory 41 special??? 8)
I really like the 41 Special on the GP100 posted above, too.
I would hope someone would come up with some more 41 Special marked brass.
If a 41 special did come out, though, what the devil would I do with this OM 357??? At first I thought about having it converted to 44 special, but then I got a Bisley 44 special flat top. Then I thought about getting it converted to 41 special. What would I convert it to if Ruger came out with a factory 41 special??? 8)
Hondo44
Hawkeye
.25-20, 32-20, 38-40 if you like traditional cartridges.
40 S&W, 10 mm, 327 Mag, 256 Win Mag (Hawkeye) if you like more contemporary.
40 S&W, 10 mm, 327 Mag, 256 Win Mag (Hawkeye) if you like more contemporary.
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dixie884
Blackhawk
I'd take one in .41mag. Since SAAMI dropped the specs on the pressure, maybe a 50th anny .357 sized frame would work.
Lee Martin
Hunter
Davidson's offered 38-40 Vaqueros years ago and if I remember correctly, they didn't move fast. Probably would sell better on the smaller frame.
Some of these off-beat rounds are great in Rugers though. One of my dad's favorites is a 25-20 on an OM 357.
Some of these off-beat rounds are great in Rugers though. One of my dad's favorites is a 25-20 on an OM 357.
Hondo44
Hawkeye
gak said:
Yeah! I've been seriously thinking about making a 25-20/256 convertible on a mid-frame. Same bore size and same twist rate. But I'd really like just a 25/20 in a single six. A little long but I loaded up some 25-20 'Short'. Shoot great in my '92.
Hondo44
Hawkeye
gak said:
gak, That would be a great combo on that mid-frame. Just did a 38-40 on a large frame BLHK so I can shoot BUckeye's 38-40 magnums.
Lee Martin
Hunter
I prefer 41 Magnum for heavy middle-bore, but you can hot rod the old 38-40 in a tight chambered Blackhawk. I built these two a few years back and both can push 200's to 1,450 fps:
Lee Martin
Hunter
Hondo44 said:
You should build a 256 Win Mag. It's quite a cartridge in a handgun. And don't let anyone tell you it won't work....with a few tricks, it functions fine:
Boxhead
Buckeye
Jason at Lipsey's said:
My thoughts exactly.
rkrcpa
Single-Sixer
Boxhead said:
So what would it take to get it SAAMI spec'd? A letter writing campaign?
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dixie884
Blackhawk
If we can't have a .41spl, how about a mid frame 32-20/327fed convertible. That would be nice.
