.410 Revolver
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No, I do not think there is that much of a need or market left for Ruger to invest in such a gun.
No, I do not think there is that much of a need or market left for Ruger to invest in such a gun.
I have several friends who have Judges. They seem to work well enough,but, I prefer to have better quality. S and W's version is too expensive. But if Ruger were to make something similar I believe the quality and price would be a "must buy!"
mike7mm08
Buckeye
Ruger is making lots of money these days. Enough I think that they should make some things that might not be a big money maker. Time for them to stop copying hot market items and fill the needs of a broader customer base. Would really like to see them develop their non defense market of firearms. The ruger american is a start. But would love to see a full line of "traditional" firearms. Market is right for traditional lever guns. Also some big bore single actions. It was proven with the 44special blackhawks that if they build them they will sell. I am certain a 5 shot super blackhawk would be a hit. Ruger is very capable of introducing innovative or niche items to the market. With money rolling in from all their hits lately time to take a little risk and switch things up a bit, instead of making another "me too " product.
Wow, wow, wow! I think Ruger CEO knows what market they want to serve.
Having encountered dozens of snake in wetlands, I never had a need to kill a snake, would just let them be on their way and move on.
As for me, Judge does both jobs poorly: if you have 410 ammo in it and bear shows up, what do you do? Reload?
This concept of 45/410 just flies over my head.
Having encountered dozens of snake in wetlands, I never had a need to kill a snake, would just let them be on their way and move on.
As for me, Judge does both jobs poorly: if you have 410 ammo in it and bear shows up, what do you do? Reload?
This concept of 45/410 just flies over my head.
JWhitmore44
Blackhawk
dougader said:
+1 although a 10 inch Blachwak in 410 may be fun for plinking, but a contender would work just as well.
RKBA4CA said:
I don't think it ever hurts to let the CEO of any company to know what you think. They may be more removed then you think and if they never get feedback how do they know what people want? It also sounds like you probably haven't had to worry about rattlers in prairie dog towns harming your stock. The Judge in 410 works very well on them. If you are concerned about snakes and bears, make the first round a light loaded shot round for snakes, the rest heavy loads for bears and then double tap
Nope, not at all. If there was a HUGE demand for the currently available models, then perhaps, but that demand simply isn't there. Too small of a market once the initial "wow, I need one of these" wore off.
From a personal, not business, standpoint I again say "no". it's simply a compromise, an answer to an unasked question. If you need a .410, use a .410, a shotgun. If you need a 45LC, use that. Don't depend on some combination of that and expect the wanted cartridge to be the one at hand at any given time. As a defensive purpose...again, don't compromise. Want a shotgun, use that. Want a handgun - use that. I continue to see the whole idea as simply a gimmick playing to the folks that wanna have a bit of spotlight at the range more than having it for any real purpose that wouldn't be better served with something else.
From a personal, not business, standpoint I again say "no". it's simply a compromise, an answer to an unasked question. If you need a .410, use a .410, a shotgun. If you need a 45LC, use that. Don't depend on some combination of that and expect the wanted cartridge to be the one at hand at any given time. As a defensive purpose...again, don't compromise. Want a shotgun, use that. Want a handgun - use that. I continue to see the whole idea as simply a gimmick playing to the folks that wanna have a bit of spotlight at the range more than having it for any real purpose that wouldn't be better served with something else.
Oh, PLEEEEEZE, NO!
woodsy
Buckeye
I don't think a new chambering (for Ruger) in a revolver is what they need. Instead, they should make a few small changes/improvements in what they have, such as the LC9, which could definitely use a little improvement.
If Ruger wanted to take a chance on a NEW item, why not try an attractive, reliable, durable "lower-barrel" revolver like the Chiappa Rhino concept. NOT a copy, but something which would cause less than everyone to vomit when they see it. (The Chiappa is too ugly and has too many parts at this time)
All of the above is simply my own rather worthless opinion.
If Ruger wanted to take a chance on a NEW item, why not try an attractive, reliable, durable "lower-barrel" revolver like the Chiappa Rhino concept. NOT a copy, but something which would cause less than everyone to vomit when they see it. (The Chiappa is too ugly and has too many parts at this time)
All of the above is simply my own rather worthless opinion.
Chuck 100 yd
Hunter
No thanks!
mike7mm08
Buckeye
No as opposed to all their latest "black gun " introductions.
Pale Horse
Bearcat
No. They are novelty guns that unfortunately have been marketed as some end-all-be-all manstopper. While I don't usually have a problem with marketing, this nonsense is ludicrous and may end up getting someone killed.
Right after the Taurus came out I ended up with a NIB one. I toyed with keeping it to take out and bust clays with but I ended up taking it into a gunshow and getting a good trade offer for it so I dumped it. If I want to shoot a shotgun shell at a bad guy I'll use a shotgun.
Right after the Taurus came out I ended up with a NIB one. I toyed with keeping it to take out and bust clays with but I ended up taking it into a gunshow and getting a good trade offer for it so I dumped it. If I want to shoot a shotgun shell at a bad guy I'll use a shotgun.
Having just 'lifted' a Raging Judge I see no reason for anything that heavy to shoot with. Ruger should not jump into that swamp. They want to do something bring out another Bearcat magnum.
Jimbo357mag
Hawkeye
I think the gun is too big and heavy for most pistol packing. I would rather have a big bore six gun with a couple of snake shots for camping and such.
mike7mm08 said:
Manufacturing 101: Build what will sell. i.e. make available the products that are popular and have a strong market base. For a while now, the whole "black gun", the tactical movement, the defensive market is the biggest market for firearms. Look at all the manufacturers of 1911's and especially AR's now. It's a HUGE market. It's foolish to NOT become more heavily involved when such a market exists. Big market = products in that market = sales/profits. Business 101: Make a profit.
mike7mm08
Buckeye
BlkHawk73 said:
I fully understand all this. Nothing wrong with getting involved in the "black gun" market but it seems as if that is the only market they care about lately.Just would think that with money rolling in like never before they would be in position to use those profits to subsidize one or two low profit yet still in demand guns is all. Guess I am spoiled. Ruger in the past seemed more customer minded instead of profit minded. They need to find a balance.
M'BOGO
Buckeye
mike7mm08 said:
I suspect it was more Bill Ruger, building what he wanted to see on the market. There wasn't a demand for what became the Ruger No. 1, but he created the demand.
What I've seen at gunshows, the .410 pistols aren't setting sales records. Folks fondle them and put them down. Mostly see the black high cap stuff selling, and CCW items selling.
tek4260
Buckeye
I think the political climate had more to do with the Judge becoming popular than anything. They had been out for quite some time before that. Same thing with the surge in prices and sales of AR's.
I wouldn't complain if Ruger made a Judge, as long as it was right after making thousands of 480 Blackhawks and whatever else real firearms enthusiasts want.
I wouldn't complain if Ruger made a Judge, as long as it was right after making thousands of 480 Blackhawks and whatever else real firearms enthusiasts want.
retiredsquid
Bearcat
I have a 3" chambered Judge. Not much of a Taurus fan, but I wanted a gun I could haul around the farm in my Mule or when on the tractor. The Judge fit my needs for snakes, etc.
whichwatch
Blackhawk
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Agree? NO!
smith1961
Blackhawk
Nah they're good......
personally I would rather have seen them make more "limited" or special runs for us like a .41 Mag Vaquero. I applaud there efforts like .41 mag Hunters and the like.
I actually thought they were blatantly being "johnny-comes-lately" with their foray into the 1911 Pistol Market. Funny they had to copy a 100 year old design cuz their proprietary autos have been dissapointing for years
:shock:
personally I would rather have seen them make more "limited" or special runs for us like a .41 Mag Vaquero. I applaud there efforts like .41 mag Hunters and the like.
I actually thought they were blatantly being "johnny-comes-lately" with their foray into the 1911 Pistol Market. Funny they had to copy a 100 year old design cuz their proprietary autos have been dissapointing for years
:shock:
mike7mm08 said:
I agree with this statement whole heartedly. I think there is a real market out there for lever guns with a bit of "tactical" utility designed into them as well. I'd be up for a reliable 16" lever gun in 45 Colt or 460 S&W with subtilly integrated rail possibilities for adding a red dot/scope and a light.
I was never tempted by the .45/.410 offerings.
reuben_j_cogburn
Buckeye
regardless of whether you like the Judge concept or not, they seem to sell very well.
When I was at SimplyRugged, we made between 6-10 holsters a day for the Judge...
And thats back when it was a three man shop. We turned out 35-40 holsters a day.
So it definetly has a nitch.
I read an article on the 6" barrel version, and it seemed to pattern shot quite well.
Originally I thought it was ugly, and who the heck would want one... But if you had room for only one gun on your belt it might not make a bad camping gun.....
When I was at SimplyRugged, we made between 6-10 holsters a day for the Judge...
And thats back when it was a three man shop. We turned out 35-40 holsters a day.
So it definetly has a nitch.
I read an article on the 6" barrel version, and it seemed to pattern shot quite well.
Originally I thought it was ugly, and who the heck would want one... But if you had room for only one gun on your belt it might not make a bad camping gun.....
