#1-A vs 1B for .270 Win *with pic*
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mattsbox99
Hunter
It depends on what you want with it. If I was using the .270 as primary woods walking rifle it would be the A. If I was using the .270 as a long range setup gun from a blind it would be the B.
I have an A in 6.5x55 and a B in .25/06 for exactly the above stated purposes.
I have an A in 6.5x55 and a B in .25/06 for exactly the above stated purposes.
picketpin
Buckeye
A while back they had a pretty good article in RIFLE about the differerence bewteen the stanrd 22" bareled version of the 270 versus a 270 winchester with a 26" barrel.
First, remember a "B" with it's 26" barrel is essentually the same length as a standard bolt action 77 or 700 or model 70 in 270 Winchester, with a 22" barrel. So if you are used to a bolt gun, you give up nothing and gain a lot in a rifle the same overall length.
Next, if the 30-06 is a very well bore balanced round, then by definition the 270 Winchetser is just slightly over bore and as such id helped by a longer barrel and the ability to use.burn slower burning powders.
The upshot of the article was that you really could gain appreciable velocity and ability to better handle the heavier bullets with the 26" barrel rifle versus the standard barrel length of 22". The writer essentually ended by saying that out of a 26" barrel with modern slow burning powders the 270 Winshest should really be thought of as a Light Magnum without a belt.
That's that's ballistics side.
As for hunting with an "A" versus a "B"? There isn't a tree within 100 miles of here worth being called a tree. So thick timber and fast handling aren't a serious issue. The closest we have to hunting from a blind is sitting on the rim and watching the rim and the sage under it and seeing is a deer might be around.
I own a LOT of #1s. I own a few in the "a', "AH" and "AB" configuration but most are in varmint calibers and used as walking varmint rifles for stuff inside 250 yards and that might be carried for a while. I own 3 maybe 4 "A"s or at least 22" barreled #1s in various "hunting cartridges.
I own 20 or so #1s in "B" or "S" with 26" barrels in HUnting cartridges. I seldom hunt with any of the "A"s.
If you don't own either see if you can barrow one of each from a pal/friend. I for one don't shoot the light /short "A" nearly as well as I can shoot the "B"or "S" for me it's just too light and doesn't point as well and certainly doesn't "hang" as well for long range deliberate shooting.
That's just one guys opinion but I do a lot better with a rifle that is slightly muzzle heavy AND with the added ballistic advantage given by the 4" of added barrel, if I was to own only one or the other, I'd opt for the "B".
Ross
Ross
First, remember a "B" with it's 26" barrel is essentually the same length as a standard bolt action 77 or 700 or model 70 in 270 Winchester, with a 22" barrel. So if you are used to a bolt gun, you give up nothing and gain a lot in a rifle the same overall length.
Next, if the 30-06 is a very well bore balanced round, then by definition the 270 Winchetser is just slightly over bore and as such id helped by a longer barrel and the ability to use.burn slower burning powders.
The upshot of the article was that you really could gain appreciable velocity and ability to better handle the heavier bullets with the 26" barrel rifle versus the standard barrel length of 22". The writer essentually ended by saying that out of a 26" barrel with modern slow burning powders the 270 Winshest should really be thought of as a Light Magnum without a belt.
That's that's ballistics side.
As for hunting with an "A" versus a "B"? There isn't a tree within 100 miles of here worth being called a tree. So thick timber and fast handling aren't a serious issue. The closest we have to hunting from a blind is sitting on the rim and watching the rim and the sage under it and seeing is a deer might be around.
I own a LOT of #1s. I own a few in the "a', "AH" and "AB" configuration but most are in varmint calibers and used as walking varmint rifles for stuff inside 250 yards and that might be carried for a while. I own 3 maybe 4 "A"s or at least 22" barreled #1s in various "hunting cartridges.
I own 20 or so #1s in "B" or "S" with 26" barrels in HUnting cartridges. I seldom hunt with any of the "A"s.
If you don't own either see if you can barrow one of each from a pal/friend. I for one don't shoot the light /short "A" nearly as well as I can shoot the "B"or "S" for me it's just too light and doesn't point as well and certainly doesn't "hang" as well for long range deliberate shooting.
That's just one guys opinion but I do a lot better with a rifle that is slightly muzzle heavy AND with the added ballistic advantage given by the 4" of added barrel, if I was to own only one or the other, I'd opt for the "B".
Ross
Ross
Lloyd Smale
Blackhawk
had a 1b in 280 and allways thought it was a bit heavy for the caliber. I dont mind the weight if im shooting a 7mag or larger but for something like a 270 id personaly go with an A. I also like the looks of an A much better so that kind of makes the decision for me. That said my 1b in 25-06 is one of my favorite long range deer guns when hunting from a stand.
6mm Remington
Single-Sixer
I have two 1B's in 6mm and 30-06. They are a bit heavy yes, but I carry them everywhere. They do balance and carry very nicely. I don't have an 1A's, so I cannot really comment on them. Nice looking and all. I would get the one that feels right for you!
mattsbox99
Hunter
I guess I should add that I have no problem carrying the B around. It is shorter than my 24" barreled MKII 25/06 that was my primary hunting rifle for several years.
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I had a 1A in 270. It made for a great woods rifle. I was not impressed with the accuracy. Made for a great tree stand rifle though. Sold it and used the funds for a 35 Whelen.
Maybe the correct thing to do is secure one of each?
Corbi
Maybe the correct thing to do is secure one of each?
Corbi
1A in 6.5 Creedmoor
1B in 280 rem
1H in 416 Rigby
By far the 1A is my favorite for hunting with, with the 1H in second place, because the fore arm on the 1A and 1H are better for carrying in my hand then the 1B. Carrying the 1B without a sling gets tedious at best for me.
1B in 280 rem
1H in 416 Rigby
By far the 1A is my favorite for hunting with, with the 1H in second place, because the fore arm on the 1A and 1H are better for carrying in my hand then the 1B. Carrying the 1B without a sling gets tedious at best for me.
picketpin
Buckeye
I have to admit that many of the "B"s I hunt with a lot have had Alex Henry forearms installed and the barrel band for the sling stud installed. It's less about carrying them but I have some "hand" issues with my left hand and can hold the Ah forearm better than the Semi Beavertail forearm.
That said The 26" medium weight barrel just balances better for me than the light 22" "A" barrel. Especially just standing on my hind legs trying to hit a deer or antelope or............................... at 100 plus yards with nothingto brace on.
In the land of sage brush
Ross
Ross
That said The 26" medium weight barrel just balances better for me than the light 22" "A" barrel. Especially just standing on my hind legs trying to hit a deer or antelope or............................... at 100 plus yards with nothingto brace on.
In the land of sage brush
Ross
Ross
When I posted that M70 Featherweight .270 in the classifieds, I set out looking to maybe luck out and find a 1-A 30-06. There's a local gent offering a very lightly used red pad 1B .270/rings (with very nice wood) plus a few $$ for my Featherweight. That's what has me thinking. I have other 1Bs in smaller calibers - nothing beyond .243 though for 1Bs.
picketpin
Buckeye
26" inch barrel on a "B" and a slow powder will get you EVERYTHING you'll ever get out of a 270. ;-) Just a thought.
Probably everything you can get out of the 270 WBY with lighter bullets and nearly the same with heavier bullets. Brass is a LOT cheaper.
Ross
Probably everything you can get out of the 270 WBY with lighter bullets and nearly the same with heavier bullets. Brass is a LOT cheaper.
Ross
picketpin
Buckeye
Can you lightn the picture and show a view of the forearm AND butt stock where it meets the receiver? Any Idea of the age/year it was shipped?
It's possible that it just has a tiny crack in the wood and has absorbed oil, dirt etc. The other alternative, predicated on age is the dreaded "Salt Wood" issue that some #1s have.
Better/ more pictures and serial number would help.
Ross
It's possible that it just has a tiny crack in the wood and has absorbed oil, dirt etc. The other alternative, predicated on age is the dreaded "Salt Wood" issue that some #1s have.
Better/ more pictures and serial number would help.
Ross
picketpin
Buckeye
Given that I'd vote for a small blemish/crack that has absorbed oil, gun and body plus dirt and may actually be mineral staining original to the wood.
Ross
Ross
