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vito said:
This thread is about 1911's, not just Ruger 1911's. I've owned guns for most of my life, and for a number of years had an Army issued 1911 45acp for military use (although admittedly I didn't shoot it much beyond a couple of times a year) and have never understood the almost reverential awe that some gun owners hold for the 1911 design.
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Why should I bother to try and talk you into liking something you don't much care for? There's plenty of other pistols for you, and plenty of buyers for the 1911's you don't want. Leave it alone, heck everyone knows the PC97 is twice the gun anyhow…
 
Never had a problem with my RIA 1911 45! Would like to switch the sights out one day, I'm not a big fan of all blacked out sights. So, found some bright green fingernail polish of my daughters and Voila!
Will switch the front sight out one day to fiber optic or night sight.
 
Have put together one Dagger for my son, shoots great! I snagged a couple of the full size frames for a steal. I have a slide coming that should be here by Saturday.
The trigger is OK, not great, but my sons shoots great!
Looking forward to getting mine ready.
 
Colt Series 70, I carried it for almost 20 years, then my Wife bought me a Glock 21 for a retirement gift. A PLASTIC .45 ? Blasphemy, but I liked it. 13 rounds over 7 and handled recoil much better. Then the CZ 97B. Only 10 rounds, but those ten rounds went just where you wanted them to go. Then the S&W M&P .45 I just bought. Just an accurate, reliable comfort to carry. Thing is modern 9MM rounds expand to .45 and I like 9MM guns, but the .45 STARTS at .45.
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Posting this, only because of the unbearable shame if people thought I didn't have any M1911A1s or other .45 ACPs.

Colt Series 70, Springfield TRP, Glock 41.

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"...have never understood the almost reverential awe that some gun owners hold for the 1911 design."

You will never find a hinged trigger that can compare to the 1911 trigger. That is what I like most about the 1911.
 
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My one and only kimber is what they called a Polymer 45 acp. I bought it well over 20 years ago and had problems from the get go. FTF was the issue I was having. It is a full size gun so not a barrel length problem. I contacted kimber and they said run 500 rounds through it and it will be fine. This seemed to be the solution all manufacturers would give at that time. I’m sure they were not happy with my response. I told them I expect a gun to function correctly out of the box. If I wanted to waste 500 rounds and hope that fix a problem not to mention being pissed off while I’m doing this. I would have bought a much cheaper gun. Fix the problem or refund my money. Surprisingly they did fix the problem and the gun has run perfectly ever since.

Kimber still has the reputation of FTF right out of the box. There solution to the problem is still run 500 rounds through it to fix the problem. Did I mention I still only own one kimber.
 
Long ago, about 2005, I used to read the M1911 Forums; there was a subforum for each manufacturer and I read all of them, paying special attention to which brand-specific subforum had the most complaints and also noting the overall "tone" or focus of attention each subforum had.

What I remember:

- Dan Wesson and Wilson Combat subforums - people just enjoyed their gun, talked about what to buy, few complaints.

- Springfield forum - lots of talk about differences in the models, not a lot of problems, I remember one guy bought a GI model and did an experiment to shoot as many rounds through it as possible, without cleaning, until he had a failure. It got expensive - well over 1000 rounds, I think.

- Colt - lots of Series 70 vs 80 comments, passive firing pin blocks, comments on Colt quality or lack thereof

- Kimber - not a happy group. Lots of controversy about MIM parts, for and against, break-in issues

In 1989 I bought a new Springfield Mil-Spec. It couldn't go through a magazine without at least three jams of some sort. I should've had it sent back for SA to fix it, but instead I sold it 12 years later to the gun shop owner I bought it from, who knew of my problems with it. I'd put only 310 rounds through it. Feeling remorse, I went back the next week to re-buy it, but he sold it.

That should've been the end of Springfield for me, but in 2007, unable to find an HK P7M13, I used the money burning a hole in my pocket to buy a Springfield TRP.

Then, wanting a more plain M1911 and wanting a horsie, I got a new model Colt series 70 re-issue.
 
dstegjas said:
My one and only kimber is what they called a Polymer 45 acp. I bought it well over 20 years ago and had problems from the get go. FTF was the issue I was having. It is a full size gun so not a barrel length problem. I contacted kimber and they said run 500 rounds through it and it will be fine. This seemed to be the solution all manufacturers would give at that time. I'm sure they were not happy with my response. I told them I expect a gun to function correctly out of the box. If I wanted to waste 500 rounds and hope that fix a problem not to mention being pissed off while I'm doing this. I would have bought a much cheaper gun. Fix the problem or refund my money. Surprisingly they did fix the problem and the gun has run perfectly ever since.

Kimber still has the reputation of FTF right out of the box. There solution to the problem is still run 500 rounds through it to fix the problem. Did I mention I still only own one kimber.
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If they told me to fire 500 rounds out of it I would tell them either refund my money or send me 750 rounds of ammo 500 to straighten out their production problem and 250 to make sure it did. I wouldn't expect this kind of responce from a maker of a higher end gun.
 
My Kimber 10mm needed LOTS of break-in rounds. The slide did not want to operate without me employing a hydraulic jack. So I removed the barrel/recoil spring, put Flitz in the rails and racked the slide about 500 times (while watching TV). That, alone, made the Kimber a much more reliable shooter. I'm sure polishing other parts would have also helped, but....

My conclusion: Kimber's too-tight manufacturing tolerances render their out-of-the pistols not yet ready for normal use.
 
dstegjas said:
My one and only kimber is what they called a Polymer 45 acp. I bought it well over 20 years ago and had problems from the get go. FTF was the issue I was having. It is a full size gun so not a barrel length problem. I contacted kimber and they said run 500 rounds through it and it will be fine. This seemed to be the solution all manufacturers would give at that time. I'm sure they were not happy with my response. I told them I expect a gun to function correctly out of the box. If I wanted to waste 500 rounds and hope that fix a problem not to mention being pissed off while I'm doing this. I would have bought a much cheaper gun. Fix the problem or refund my money. Surprisingly they did fix the problem and the gun has run perfectly ever since.

Kimber still has the reputation of FTF right out of the box. There solution to the problem is still run 500 rounds through it to fix the problem. Did I mention I still only own one kimber.
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The one and only Kimber that I ever owned with the compact version with the 3 inch barrel, which I thought was the source of the constant FTF and FTE with this otherwise nice feeling and looking gun. Several trips back to the Kimber factory did not fix the problems, and fortunately for me, the gun shop where I bought it was willing to take it back and give me full credit toward the purchase of other firearms.

Right now I do not own a single 1911 pistol and I'm just fine with that. I own several Ruger semi autos, including my EDC of a LC9s, and several Glock pistols and I don't have any desire for a 1911 whatsoever. I will admit, however, that the Kimber that I got rid of was probably the nicest looking gun that I have ever owned other than my S&W Model 19 in nickel.
 
It's a shame how that any new gun is really just a parts kit now days. Even my FA 353 immediately came apart for a much needed trigger job.

My Kimber 1911 needed the rails lapped, ramp polished, and trigger tuned. Same with the Ruger and Colts. The only 1911 I have gotten in the past few years that ran 100% out of the box is a Tisas, but the trigger still needed work.
 
I’m still flabbergasted that people buy into the “break-in” thingy.
What other product do people buy and joyfully spend more money and lots of time to make it work as designed?
Don’t answer that ….. it’s another discussion for another thread.
 
I carried a 1911 professionally for almost 25 years but mine were all higher end (Baers, Nighthawks and WC). The platform is perfect to me. Fits my hand like it was made for it, inherently accurate, and runs like a Swiss watch....what more do ya need?
 
If you have more than one 1911 and want to have some fun get you a 460 Rowland kit from Clarks and put on one of them. I had a Norinco 1911 and put the kit on it along with a Wilson Combat trigger and an action job. It shoots great and has unbelievable power. It will shoot a 230 gran over 1300 FPS and a 185 over 1500 fps. Funs stuff if you are a reloader and just like to shoot.
 
XP100 said:
If they told me to fire 500 rounds out of it I would tell them either refund my money or send me 750 rounds of ammo 500 to straighten out their production problem and 250 to make sure it did. I wouldn't expect this kind of responce from a maker of a higher end gun.
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That is exactly what they told two LEO’s that I was running a qualification for, but they said “self defense” ammunition!
 
I once had a Kimber 1911 45ACP Match something, their “Top of the Line” at the time. It was my first 1911. I was not impressed, traded it for a used Smith & Wesson revolver. A few years later, my Son purchased a Dan Wesson 1911 CBOB Classic , WOW. I now currently own four Dan Wesson 1911’s.
 

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I've only shot 2 Kimber 45 ACP 1911's and they shot patterns (shotgun ) versus groups. One friend has a Kimber 10mm and I haven't heard any accuracy complaints but he did have to send it back for functioning issues. My 1911's (Springfield Armory and R.I.A) are very accurate and reliable. Every manufacturer lets a lemon slip out the door occasionally.
 
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If you have more than one 1911 and want to have some fun get you a 460 Rowland kit from Clarks and put on one of them. I had a Norinco 1911 and put the kit on it along with a Wilson Combat trigger and an action job. It shoots great and has unbelievable power. It will shoot a 230 gran over 1300 FPS and a 185 over 1500 fps. Funs stuff if you are a reloader and just like to shoot.
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I started shooting revolvers in 1965 with a Ruger 357 Blackhawk. When I started on autos in 1970, I bought a S&W 39, then a 59. My hands are small, so it did not fit well. and I turned to a 1911. I was fortunate to find a Gold Cup at a very reasonable price and now own several 1911's. The most accurate of them all is a Kimber stainless Target in 10mm. Off the bench at 20 yards, with Hornady 180's it will group a magazine full into a group you can cover with a quarter. The other thing I like about the 1911 is they are easily customized to your liking. I own 8 Kimbers and have never had a problem with any of them. My favorites though are Springfield Armory's.
 
Funny thing, 1911s no good right out of the box. I bought this 1985 Colt Officer's Model Lightweight last year, almost NIB. The original owner installed a different trigger and put it back in the box. When I got it it showed no signs that either magazine had ever had a cartridge loaded in them and I found a little rust on parts of the gun when I disassembled it. I cleaned the rust, lubed it and put it back together. Then I shot it. And shot it. And shot it a lot. Not a single problem at all! I'm still going to get a Wilson Combat Bullet Proof slid stop for it because the one I owned a couple decades ago broke the original one.
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Snake45 said:
I have no doubt the 3" barrel was the main problem. Long story short, I did some experimenting with shortened 1911s back in the '80s and came to the conclusion that I'd never personally trust one shorter than 4".

My son has a Kimber with a 4" or 4.25" barrel and the short grip frame. I don't know how reliable it is (but I've never heard him complain about it, nor has he ever asked me for tuning help with it) but I can tell you that stupid little gun has, far and away, THE BEST trigger I've ever felt on a 1911, and I've handled my share of match-grade target guns. :shock:
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I own several 1911 design firearms. A 4" Officer grip Springfield ~24,000 rounds fired, still working, a Kimber custom shop Ultra Carry ~500 rounds, and a full size Kimber Custom TLE ~6-10,000 rounds fired. Only problems I've encountered the link lug broke off the barrel of the Springfield at 23k, and I stuck a bullet in the barrel of the TLE and fired another round blowing the barrel (replaced it with a KART "easy fit"). Occasionally have a mis-feed because of the reloaded ammo or lack of lubrication/maintenance. Yes, since 1995 I have shot a pot load of 45 ACP. Oh, and I forgot the Colt National Match Gold Cup (1968 vintage) in semi retirement.
 
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