Hammer Time or Not?

[s4s4u]

Also "low profile hammer" ^^^

 

[eveled]

FWIW, I was trained and still believe that shooting a revolver single action and staging the trigger are bad habits.

The exposed hammer is not necessary because you shouldn’t use it. It snags, and is a pathway for stuff to find it’s way inside of the revolver.

You should train how you will fight.

YMMV

 

[Mobuck]

I have a 'spurless' hammer Sec 6 which has been 'tuned' at some point in it's life. Slickest D/A pull I've ever felt. The upper surface of the remaining hammer is checkered giving just enough traction to thumb cock. Best of both worlds IMHO.

 

[19drivermaker46]

Thinking maybe "coat" pocket

Jacket pocket, coat pocket, front pants pocket, rear pants pocket...how about practicing to just pulling that sucker out fast and increase the odds of hitting the target where it needs to be hit to stop the assault just like we practice? How does one even know if the aim is online to hit anything including oneself without practice? It makes about as much sense to try shooting out of a coat pocket as trying to shoot out of some baggy pants pocket instead of drawing it. You might even shoot off your own crank! Geezus Keyriced, what a subject to be making a mountain out of a mole hill.

 

[Durango Dave]

A hammerless revolver is so 70ish. We've come far since then.
First off the advantage of it being hammerless is it won't catch when being carried in a pocket. But your better off with a holster any way.
Secondarily a revolver is not the way to go with self defense. A semi auto is much better. I say that as a revolver guy. I have more revolvers that semi autos and I shoot the revolvers far more often.

 

[vito]

Even a semi auto can be fired from the pocket, at least one round. That could be enough to give you the time to draw the gun and rack the slide to get it ready to fire again.

Another advantage of pocket carry is when you have to use a public restroom it is far easier to control the gun in your pocket than one being worn IWB or OWB as your pants come down to your ankles.

 

[eveled]

I have a 'spurless' hammer Sec 6 which has been 'tuned' at some point in it's life. Slickest D/A pull I've ever felt. The upper surface of the remaining hammer is checkered giving just enough traction to thumb cock. Best of both worlds IMHO.

Nice! I think Ruger called those speed hammers I set up my fixed sight GP-100 the same way.

 

[19drivermaker46]

In some states it is illegal to display a gun. Having a gun that will work from inside a pocket allows the person to be able to quickly defend, without displaying. And even if you never need to do this, it gives peace of mind knowing you can.

Displaying refers to open carry. Having it covered by a pocket or other clothing and then drawing the gun for self-protection when life is in danger is legal with a license. There is no way fumbling around to aim and shoot through a pocket is going to be quicker and accurate than a practiced draw and fire.

 

[rammerjammer]

My rule of thumb has been if it's going to be pocket carried I want a shrouded hammer. If it's going on the belt or shoulder holster I want an exposed hammer spur for that chance I may need/want to shoot in single action.

 

[s4s4u]

Jacket pocket, coat pocket, front pants pocket, rear pants pocket...how about practicing to just pulling that sucker out fast and increase the odds of hitting the target where it needs to be hit to stop the assault just like we practice? How does one even know if the aim is online to hit anything including oneself without practice? It makes about as much sense to try shooting out of a coat pocket as trying to shoot out of some baggy pants pocket instead of drawing it. You might even shoot off your own crank! Geezus Keyriced, what a subject to be making a mountain out of a mole hill.

 

[s4s4u]

Secondarily a revolver is not the way to go with self defense. A semi auto is much better.

How so? Capacity? A semi-auto that is about the same size as my LCRx might pack one more round.

I can shoot my LCRx much more accurately than the Elsie P and there is no slide to rack and less chance of a mechanical failure.

Shooting is a last resort, for me. If I think I need more than a handful of boom to visit an area, I will simply avoid that area.

 

[JackBull]

A hammerless revolver is so 70ish. We've come far since then.
First off the advantage of it being hammerless is it won't catch when being carried in a pocket. But your better off with a holster any way.
Secondarily a revolver is not the way to go with self defense. A semi auto is much better. I say that as a revolver guy. I have more revolvers that semi autos and I shoot the revolvers far more often.

Why is a semi-auto better? Revolvers are more reliable. Do you expect to fire more than 5-6 rounds?

 

[JackBull]

My rule of thumb has been if it's going to be pocket carried I want a shrouded hammer. If it's going on the belt or shoulder holster I want an exposed hammer spur for that chance I may need/want to shoot in single action.

Have you considered that if the shoot is questionable, and there are a lot of reasons for that to occure, the claim can be made that your cocked the hammer and pulled the light trigger by accident?

 

[Durango Dave]

Why is a semi-auto better? Revolvers are more reliable. Do you expect to fire more than 5-6 rounds?

Why do you wear seat belts? With very rare exceptions I haven't been involved in crashes. Most the time I don't crash so I shouldn't need seat belts. Right?

Likewise many people say most gunfights are with less than 6 rounds. Why carry more rounds than that?

Why? Because we should be prepared for the worst case scenario. Be prepared for an uncommon crash. Carry enough rounds in your gun (13 to 17) to be prepared for a long gunfight even though those are rare.

 

[19drivermaker46]

Toughen up Sarge

 

[s4s4u]

Toughen up Sarge

Smarten up, private...

 

[rammerjammer]

Have you considered that if the shoot is questionable, and there are a lot of reasons for that to occure, the claim can be made that your cocked the hammer and pulled the light trigger by accident?

Nope

 

[pyth0n]

Never fired any type of gun from the pocket. I think Military Arms Channel did a video on it.
When I carry my 856 I spend time practicing placing my thumb on the hammer to prevent snagging. Internal hammer or shrouded hammer help reduce the snag problem better, without the extra step.

 

[19drivermaker46]

Smarten up, private...

It's Colonel to you

 

[JackBull]

Nope

Then your training is not complete.

 

[Fox Mike]

I can shoot my LCRx much more accurately than the Elsie P and there is no slide to rack and less chance of a mechanical failure.

If carrying a semi-auto I carry it loaded, cocked, and locked. No 'racking' required if it is needed. When drawn the thumb flicks the safety off.

 

[s4s4u]

If carrying a semi-auto I carry it loaded, cocked, and locked. No 'racking' required if it is needed. When drawn the thumb flicks the safety off.

I do the same. Always one in the hole. I was just indicating the simplicity of the revolver over a semi.

 

[Okie Red]

I have both lcr’s and lcrx. I don’t particularly care to shoot DA over SA, but my lcr’s were made before the lcrx came out. I like having the both options in the lcrx and the hammer spur hasn’t ever printed or snagged. The good thing is that the DA trigger in the centerfire lcr’s isn’t horrible. The rimfires are very heavy.

 

[neilin]

How so? Capacity? A semi-auto that is about the same size as my LCRx might pack one more round.

I can shoot my LCRx much more accurately than the Elsie P and there is no slide to rack and less chance of a mechanical failure.

Shooting is a last resort, for me. If I think I need more than a handful of boom to visit an area, I will simply avoid that area.

I agree with what you say, except for, “less chance of a mechanical failure” in revolvers. I am a revolver man from way back, and in my experience revolvers do have mechanical issues, and I know of men being killed because of the failures. However, those failures can mostly be traced back to poor training, poor quality control of manufacturing ammunition (by name brand ammo makers), and poor maintenance.

 

[s4s4u]

I agree with what you say, except for, “less chance of a mechanical failure” in revolvers. I am a revolver man from way back, and in my experience revolvers do have mechanical issues, and I know of men being killed because of the failures. However, those failures can mostly be traced back to poor training, poor quality control of manufacturing ammunition (by name brand ammo makers), and poor maintenance.

Anything can happen, Murphy says so. Personally, I have never had a revolver fail, unlike with semi-auto's.

 

[eveled]

Revolvers are way more complex than automatics. Lots more springs and little parts that have to be in time.

I don’t believe revolvers are inherently more reliable than pistols.

 

[s4s4u]

Revolvers are way more complex than automatics. Lots more springs and little parts that have to be in time.

I don’t believe revolvers are inherently more reliable than pistols.

I can only speak from experience, and I have never experienced a revolver fail to function.

I cannot say that about semi-auto's.

Have you had a Ruger revolver fail to function?

 

[eveled]

I have had Ruger revolvers fail. It was ammo related which was the cause of my pistol failures too.

If they are high quality guns, with good ammo, broken in and maintained. They are equally reliable.

 

[s4s4u]

I have had Ruger revolvers fail. It was ammo related which was the cause of my pistol failures too.

If they are high quality guns, with good ammo, broken in and maintained. They are equally reliable.

Ammo is a variable. I am referring to the mechanics of the gun(s) and failure(s) due to that alone.

If I absolutely need a gun to fire 5 or 6 rounds in a difficult situation, without fail, I have more faith in the wheelgun.

Is good that we have a choice

 

[eveled]

I have more faith in the wheelgun.

Having faith in what you carry is important.

I have found them both to be equally reliable.

My original comment was about people saying revolvers are simpler and this makes them more reliable. Revolvers are far from simple inside. Lots of small parts and springs.

Also the blanket statement that all revolvers are more reliable is false. I personally only trust Rugers and modern S&W revolvers.

Definitely not saying don’t carry a revolver. FWIW, my most carried guns have been light weight Centennial S&W’s Enclosed hammer and no place for grit dust or moisture to get inside

For years my only carry gun was a model 60.