Time for another run of No 1 rifles yet?

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Deep Six

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Well heck finally froze over here in Illinoiz. Starting in 2023, single-shot rifles chambered in a straight-wall cartridge will now be legal for the firearm deer seasons in all counties that have a firearm season (i.e. all counties except Cook).

Now it's too bad I don't currently have such a rifle! Fortunately, I have the better part of a year to find one. There are some options on the market (the Henry break-action comes to mind), but I already know I'm just not going to be satisfied with anything other than a Ruger No 1.

I know the current status is they haven't made any in two years and when Lipseys asks, Ruger tells them "maybe someday when the craziness dies down". Here's to hoping the coming Republican congress causes demand to cool so Ruger and others can find some room to make some traditional guns between runs of 9mms and black rifles.

Seriously though, I do hope both Ruger and Lipseys realize the law changed in IL and it's going to create significant demand for single shots. Yeah, not every deer hunter is looking to take an $1800 rifle into the woods, but I have to imagine our single state could easily could account for a run or three of 250 rifles.

Anyways, I'll take mine as a K1A in 38-55 with walnut! Really though, 405 Win, 444 Marlin, 450 Marlin, 45-70, or any of the other straight wall "tropical" chamberings would be just as good!
 

Paul B

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Anyone ever give any thought about what if the communists, errr democrats cheat and take over both house in the upcoming election that if they allow any type of rifle at all, it would most likely be a single shot? probably be the same with a shotgun, And handguns? Forget about it. Your current Ruger #1s would be in very serious demand, at least until Supply caught up with demand. Same with Winchester and clones from Browning and others.
Paul B.
 

tarbe

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Well heck finally froze over here in Illinoiz. Starting in 2023, single-shot rifles chambered in a straight-wall cartridge will now be legal for the firearm deer seasons in all counties that have a firearm season (i.e. all counties except Cook).

Now it's too bad I don't currently have such a rifle! Fortunately, I have the better part of a year to find one. There are some options on the market (the Henry break-action comes to mind), but I already know I'm just not going to be satisfied with anything other than a Ruger No 1.

I know the current status is they haven't made any in two years and when Lipseys asks, Ruger tells them "maybe someday when the craziness dies down". Here's to hoping the coming Republican congress causes demand to cool so Ruger and others can find some room to make some traditional guns between runs of 9mms and black rifles.

Seriously though, I do hope both Ruger and Lipseys realize the law changed in IL and it's going to create significant demand for single shots. Yeah, not every deer hunter is looking to take an $1800 rifle into the woods, but I have to imagine our single state could easily could account for a run or three of 250 rifles.

Anyways, I'll take mine as a K1A in 38-55 with walnut! Really though, 405 Win, 444 Marlin, 450 Marlin, 45-70, or any of the other straight wall "tropical" chamberings would be just as good!
Don't forget about the 475 Linebaugh!

I have an FA in 475 and could be seriously tempted by a No 1 so chambered.

I have had two No 1 45-70 over the years and that is probably my all-time favorite in the No 1....but the Linebaugh can do everything I ask of the 45-70 these days.
 

tarbe

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Anyone ever give any thought about what if the communists, errr democrats cheat and take over both house in the upcoming election that if they allow any type of rifle at all, it would most likely be a single shot? probably be the same with a shotgun, And handguns? Forget about it. Your current Ruger #1s would be in very serious demand, at least until Supply caught up with demand. Same with Winchester and clones from Browning and others.
Paul B.
I was thinking about this the other day.

Funny...I have a roughly equal number of: Single shots, bolt actions, lever actions, autoloaders (AR).

Maybe if my savings and investments had been this diversified, I would not still be working!
 
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I was glad to see Illinois finally allow rifles for deer hunting. I can't wait to use my Anniversary #1 in 45/70 next year.

But there are other options out there. I also have a CVA Scout II in 44 magnum. For those that can't or won't spend the $$ for a #1, these are a good, inexpensive option. I will use it on rainy days when I don't want to subject my #1 to the elements. Plus when on my side-by-side. It shoots my 240 XTP reloads into an inch at 100 yards, 3-shots.
 

Travelin Man

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As a fellow Illinois resident (with a second and future retirement home in Tennessee) I would love to see a Ruger No. 1 in .350 Legend for local deer hunting but they really need to make the new rifle law the same as the shotgun regs in that you could use a bolt action rifle with a 3 round maximum capacity (2+1). Right now for Illinois hunting I used a Remington 870 Superslug, with a pistol grip stock and a 25" rifled barrel that is attached to the receiver with a screw. Combined with a Leupold SBAR scope and Hornady SST 325 gr. sabot slugs (2,000 fps muzzle velocity) it holds 1-1/2" groups at 100 yards and only open to about 2-1/2" groups at 200 yards, basically .45-70 ballistics. The down side is the recoil is like that of a .338 Win. Mag rifle.
 

RSIno1

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Everybody seems to put a premium on the 45-70 ones. Grab a 458 Win or Lott and load it down.

If they do a run I hope a stainless RSI with gray laminate (not that ugly black they put on the Bushmaster ones) in 308 is among them.
 
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Rocdoc

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Not SS, but the 460SW No. 1 Ruger is a pretty cool little rifle, shoots 460, 454, 45, and Schofield, lot of power range in a cute little compact rifle. Not sur how well they sold, maybe some still on dealer shelves, know mine was several years after production ended, NIB
 

Rich/WIS

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Given the cost of a No 1 versus a Henry SS would think that the folks at Henry would look at trying to capture that market. That said wish Ruger would look at making the No 3 again, only with a butt stock like the No 1 in plain walnut to keep cost reasonable. At a lower price point and in staright wall calibers, or even the original as well, would generate a lot of interest and a lot of sales.
 

40nascar

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Well heck finally froze over here in Illinoiz. Starting in 2023, single-shot rifles chambered in a straight-wall cartridge will now be legal for the firearm deer seasons in all counties that have a firearm season (i.e. all counties except Cook).

Now it's too bad I don't currently have such a rifle! Fortunately, I have the better part of a year to find one. There are some options on the market (the Henry break-action comes to mind), but I already know I'm just not going to be satisfied with anything other than a Ruger No 1.

I know the current status is they haven't made any in two years and when Lipseys asks, Ruger tells them "maybe someday when the craziness dies down". Here's to hoping the coming Republican congress causes demand to cool so Ruger and others can find some room to make some traditional guns between runs of 9mms and black rifles.

Seriously though, I do hope both Ruger and Lipseys realize the law changed in IL and it's going to create significant demand for single shots. Yeah, not every deer hunter is looking to take an $1800 rifle into the woods, but I have to imagine our single state could easily could account for a run or three of 250 rifles.

Anyways, I'll take mine as a K1A in 38-55 with walnut! Really though, 405 Win, 444 Marlin, 450 Marlin, 45-70, or any of the other straight wall "tropical" chamberings would be just as good!

I agree. I think a .38-55, 350 , or even a .375 win would be optimal. The Larger Calibers are too much recoil for my tastes. And that kind of power is not needed, nor optimal for deer.

Fortunately, where I live, I do not need to make that kind of a crappy choice. I get to use my pre- crossbolt safety, Marlin 336 in .35 Remington. With my handloads, it does 1.5 inches at 100 yds.
 

Danny

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"Time for another run of No 1 rifles yet?"

I am going to have to say no. I am a big fan of No. 1 Rifles and have a bunch of them, but if they keep making the No .1 like they have been recently, I am not buying. To get me to buy a new one, they would have to go back to the breechblocks that are blued on top and they would have to get the checkering straightened out to where it was quality-wise at about the transition from the red to black pads or earlier.

Danny
 
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I have two custom No.1 in straight-wall cartridges, and they're great at short distances. I'm not sure I'd want to use either beyond 200yds, but not because they're short on energy but due to the trajectory. I think it's great to have one set up for <100 yards and iron sights in a big-bore straight-wall, but good to have another in a bottleneck cartridge, too.
 

RSIno1

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Given the cost of a No 1 versus a Henry SS would think that the folks at Henry would look at trying to capture that market.
I think the lure of the Ruger No1 goes far beyond it being a SS. It was Bill Ruger's halo gun. A halo product is one produced to show the engineering and manufacturing abilities of your company with little regard to sales or profits. Fans of the No1 would never consider a break open SS over a No1. A shooter on a budget may buy a Henry but will soon want a drop/rolling block rifle.
 

Jozzle

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I'm originally from the northeast and my .308 is locked up in the safe. I'm tired of hunting with a scattergun in Southern Illinois. I was just getting ready to break out my old Savage 24V .357 over 20 gauge break action and bore it over to .357 Maximum to start load development for deer hunting in the fall. I agree with Deep Six on the K1A but, in a modern derivative of the .38-55. I was just looking at this beautiful Lipseys K1A in .30-30 which is based on the same .38-55 cartridge.


Drop in a new .360 Buckhammer barrel, also based on the very same cartridge, which falls neatly between the two calibers and combines the best of bullet sectional density vs. velocity for a perfect mid-range deer rifle. I'd venture to say it would do well for bear, elk, or moose as well if needed.

Commercial Remington 180gr. ammo zeroed at a maximum point blank range (MPBR) of 180yds is +3" high @ 100yds and -3" drop @ 210yds and is listed @ 980ft/lbs @ 200yds. Ditch the round nose and handload Fury's 180gr. spitzer zero at 110yds is +3" @ 110yds and -3" @ near 230yds w/ 1250ft/lbs of energy. I love leverguns but high BC pointy bullets and single shots rule. I havent done any load development but, assuming you can pick up another 2000 fps by drropping down to a 158gr. Fury spitzer, zero @ 205yds is +3 @ 120yds and -3 @ about 240yds w/ 1150ft/lbs left. Now thats what I call Flat and Lethal ! If you want to extend out just a bit further drop in a Cutting Edge 160gr. ER Copper tipped bullet with a BC of 0.335 zero @ 125yds gets +3" @ 125yds and -3" @ 250yds w/ 1415ft/lbs of deer dropping energy. Let me say, "safety first" The great thing about a Ruger No. 1 is ithe action is strong as hell and made to handle pressures over 60,000 PSI from some of the most powerfull magnum cartridges. Push these bullets a bit and who knows how much more we can squeeze out of them. The Buckhammer is a brand new round and there is not a lot of existing data to work from. I admit, these ballistics are all based on advertised specifications and available load data compared with available case volumes, pressures, and powder burn rates. Assumptions were made on expected velocity increases of 30ft/sec per inch based on a 24" barrel. Every rifle, even two exactly alike, will act differently to the same ammunition. Your mileage may vary.

Here's a link to the ballistics: http://www.shooterscalculator.com/ballistic-trajectory-chart.php?t=5e560b82

Coincidently, Remington is now advertising the additions of 180gr. CoreLokt Tipped and 160gr. CoreLokt Copper to the .360 lineup.

I like a good bit of knock down for my bang stick and a deer will certainly feel a 300gr.+ 45-70 but so will my ageing shoulder. The Buckhammer has about half the recoil of the powerful 45-70.

I also like to keep it simple. Deer have about an 8" kill zone, so at 6" to allow for a margin of error gives +3" mid-range-trajectory, set my scope zero to MPBR lock the range dial down and leave it be. Near 100yds is +3" holdover, 200yds (±20yds) is zero, and max range of 210yds to 250yds is -3" depending on bullet. If I'm in a hurry I can just aim dead center on the kill zone and DRT. If I decide I want to do the math for a long shot the Cutting Edge ER is still just -9" @ 300yds w/ 1260ft/lbs left to kill.

With the right bullet the Buckhammer ballistics compares very closely to the .243 Winchester.

When limited to straight wall cartridges .35 caliber is the goldilocks cartridge for energy transfer in a flat shooting straight wall rifle. Smaller diameter bullets dont have the mass to deliver enough energy to kill at distance, and larger caliber bullets fly like a brick quickly shedding velocity and constraining them to a rainbow trajectory. Four straight wall cartridges are available to select from in this caliber in order of case capacity; .357 Magnum, .357 Maximum, .350 Legend, and .360 Buckhammer. .357 Mag is limited to arbout 200yds @ 850ft/lbs but can be bored over to .357 Maximum to net just shy of 225yds @ 1050ft/lbs. The action must be capable of the increased pressure from 30,000 to 35,000 PSI. The Savage 24 was available in both configuarations, maximum versions are rare. The Ruger No. 1 was also available in .357 for a single year run in 1988 and is highly collectable. That leaves the two newcomers; the .350 Legend designed rimless to cycle in the autoloading AR platform (not your traditional hunting rifle) and the Baby Huey of the bunch, the rimmed Buckhammer (rimmed cartridges lend themselves to better headspacing in the falling block and break action single shots.

These .35 caliber rifle would all make fine hunting rifles compared to a scattergun. And, as a final benefit for those that reload can be much less expensive to shoot than thier big bore bretheren.

I say we all get together a group purchase and get a Lipsey's exclusive KA1 request for the "Single Shot that Won th Midwest"

I'll take two of those Ruger No. 1s in .360 Buckhammer thank you very much. And they will be worth every penny.

If Ruger wont Listen, Mayby we'll have to see if Winchester will do an 1885 Low Wall. Damn the torpedos full speed ahead !
 

instructor

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I have a No. 1 and a No. 3 as well and had Douglas make a barrel for the 348 caliber and one for 22-250 for the No. 1 and for the No 3 a barrel in 45/70 and one for the 6BR caliber. Both rifles were Gun Show purchases in good condition at a much lower cost than retail in those days. I prefer the No. 3 due to its "handiness" and in 45/70 the recoil is stiff, but the barrel was made much heavier than the factory ones in that caliber and that does help some, but very good hunting gun for West Virginia deer and bear. The No. 3 in 6BR is super accurate and great for coyotes, fox, or whatever needs shot. Apparently, the cost of mfg. and resulting profit was not sufficient for the firm to continue making these firearms and have not been to a gun show in some time now and may well be worth checking out those shows if you have on in your area and then make it whatever you want. Other than new barrel all that is needed is correct ejector to match the caliber you select.
 

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