Same is true of a DAO hammer fired pistol like the LC9/380.pjvrefugee said:striker fired offers the same trigger press from start to finish. no long stiff first shot , just one consistent pull to get used to. generally a nice crisp 5-6 pounds.
That seems like a dumb idea to me. In a tense situation you draw your gun and pull the trigger, nada?gc70 said:The R1 has a hammer with a flat shelf at the half-cock position, which is common to 1911s with firing pin safeties. If you pull the trigger when the hammer is in the half-cock position, there is nothing to prevent the sear from rotating away from the hammer and off of the shelf, allowing the hammer to drop.modrifle3 said:Intersting . . . I have a Remington R1 that I have test at half cock several times and it doesn't even dent the primer. The R1 will drop the hammer if the trigger is pulled. Not sure at this point if all will or not. This is the only one I carry.
The original 1911 hammer design has a notch at the half-cock position. If you pull the trigger when the hammer is in the half-cock position, the nose of the sear is trapped in the notch and cannot rotate away from the hammer.
It would require quite a blow to break a hammer. It is more likely that a severe blow, or dropping a 1911, might depress the grip safety, allowing momentum to effectively "pull" the trigger and fire the gun.charlesappel said:However, my primary concern isn't that the trigger will drop the hammer. I am concerned about a sharp blow to the hammer or the pistol landing hammer down on a hard surface. This could shear the notch and cause the pistol to fire.
That heavy first shot is a big advantage in most SD situations - you are making a commitment to harm someone so you need to be sure. Once you have made that commitment, however, follow up shots are easier.pjvrefugee said:striker fired offers the same trigger press from start to finish. no long stiff first shot , just one consistent pull to get used to. generally a nice crisp 5-6 pounds.
Ruger P95 fired under water57K said:For those that might believe a hammer provides greater impact to the primer, remember, there are no DA/SA pistols that can be fired under water where that is possible with a striker-fired pistol.
Amistad said:To each his own on this issue. For me:
1) I want to be able to see the hammer's position at all times.
2) I want to be able to feel the hammer's position when in a pitch black room.
Just my two cents... :mrgreen:
Amistad
wolfee said:57k, you might want to take a look at this video. Bizarre underwater slo mo shooting with what is clearly a da/sa ruger. Didn't have the sound on but think it's a P89.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OubvTOHWTms
Just curious but why?Amistad said:To each his own on this issue. For me:
1) I want to be able to see the hammer's position at all times.
2) I want to be able to feel the hammer's position when in a pitch black room.
Just my two cents... :mrgreen:
Amistad
CurlyQ said:Most of the pros and cons posted here about striker fired vs hammer fired can actually be applied to either type.
Neither has an inherent advantage in primer striking power. I've seen striker fired guns that could punch a primer like a pile driver, and hammer fired that barely get the job done. It's all a matter of the physics in the mass of the hammer, the mass of the firing pin/striker, power of the springs, etc. And there's nothing to prevent a hammer fired gun from firing under water, with the right combination of those things. But I suspect firing under water isn't exactly a priority for most gun manufacturers.
Although most do, not all striker fired guns use the semi cocked trigger system made popular by the Glock, actually a cross breed between single action and double action. There are pure double action striker guns, and there are DA/SA versions. Just as there are different functioning versions of hammer guns. And yes, there are even single action striker guns that must be cocked before firing (HK P7 is one example). And not all hammer guns have the advantage of being able to cock it without racking the slide/bolt. Some hammer guns have the hammer carried internally.
The ONLY difference between a hammer and a striker gun is one puts the spring power behind a hammer which strikes the firing pin, the other puts the spring power directly behind the striker. The rest depends on the design of the individual gun.
So in the end, the only real advantage between one or the other is mostly just a matter of personal preference.
gc70 said:Restrike capability is only available through the trigger on fully DAO designs or the DA mode of DA/SA designs.