gunman42782
Hunter
http://ruger.com/products/lcpII/models.html
Ruger LCP-2
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Looks like some pretty nice improvements!
John E Davies
Single-Sixer
There are many brand new reviews, this one at Real Guns is good, as always.
http://www.realguns.com/articles/867.htm
I have a slicked-up P3-AT that I carry daily, for going on ten years now. I have toyed with upgrading to a Ruger but none of the latest variations of the LCP seemed to be enough different for me to decide to buy. I liked the LCP Custom a lot, but the protruding sights do not work for me. Not on a belly gun!
I really really like this new version!
I will handle a new LCP II as soon as I can find one, and most likely I will take it home and pass on the Kel-Tec to one of my kids. It doesn't really have any trade in value...
John Davies
Spokane WA
http://www.realguns.com/articles/867.htm
I have a slicked-up P3-AT that I carry daily, for going on ten years now. I have toyed with upgrading to a Ruger but none of the latest variations of the LCP seemed to be enough different for me to decide to buy. I liked the LCP Custom a lot, but the protruding sights do not work for me. Not on a belly gun!
I really really like this new version!
I will handle a new LCP II as soon as I can find one, and most likely I will take it home and pass on the Kel-Tec to one of my kids. It doesn't really have any trade in value...
John Davies
Spokane WA
Geoff Timm
Single-Sixer
It still needs a factory long magazine with more rounds. I do like the lock back feature.
Geoff
Who notes Kel-tec has had a long magazine for decades.
Geoff
Who notes Kel-tec has had a long magazine for decades.
djw54
Single-Sixer
LCP II? How about LCP American?
I really like the looks of it, which really do make it look like part of the American family.
The last round hold open is a nice feature.
The shape of the trigger guard looks different enough that accessories won't be compatible.
The new sights are an improvement over the original, without protruding as far as the sights on the Custom.
Huh, just noticed the trigger safety. I wonder if the trigger pull is different, requiring that trigger lever? My LCP Custom has a long double action pull, which would make that trigger safety redundant.
eta: Just ran through the realguns review: Trigger is single action now (should have been obvious). It will take LCP magazines, but won't hold open with them.
I really like the looks of it, which really do make it look like part of the American family.
The last round hold open is a nice feature.
The shape of the trigger guard looks different enough that accessories won't be compatible.
The new sights are an improvement over the original, without protruding as far as the sights on the Custom.
Huh, just noticed the trigger safety. I wonder if the trigger pull is different, requiring that trigger lever? My LCP Custom has a long double action pull, which would make that trigger safety redundant.
eta: Just ran through the realguns review: Trigger is single action now (should have been obvious). It will take LCP magazines, but won't hold open with them.
19ontheslide
Bearcat
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Whew! Thank god it has serrations on the front of the slide; otherwise, how would I perform uber-tacticool press checks with my pocket .380 that's the size of a deck of cards? :roll:
FergusonTO35
Hunter
So, it is single action. I wonder if it has a passive firing pin block of some sort?
John E Davies
Single-Sixer
It has a hammer, no firing pin.FergusonTO35 said:
The internal hammer is still visible when it is fully back, but it has a much smaller opening... I like that, it will help keep lint from accumulating inside.
"They’ve even gone one step further with a new, integrated blade safety trigger design evolved from the LC9s, that, and I say this with a great deal of respect for the “Red Trigger Ruger” (which I carry every day), makes the LCP II worth stepping up for. The average trigger pull on an LCP is 6.5 pounds; the new LCP II trigger has a resistance of 5 pounds, 11 ounces on average. Ruger describes it as having a single-action-only (SAO) trigger. It has a long 0.75 inches of travel, firm stacking for the last 0.5 inches with a clean break, and short reset. Although it may seem strange to describe a trigger like this as a single-action, I think that Ruger’s reasoning behind this is that a double-action-only (DAO) would fully cock the hammer when you pull the trigger, and the LCP needs to have the slide cycled to set the hammer for the gun to be able to be fired. As a result, it offers no second-strike capability but the new slide requires only half as much effort to rack, and a short stroke to re-cock the internal hammer in the event of a misfire. It is a much-improved trigger and slide design, and I really liked the “Red Trigger Ruger” LCP Custom. One other change to the pistol’s internal hammer-fired design is that only the top third of the hammer, rather than the entire back of the hammer, appears in the rear slide opening when the action is cycled. This is a little harder to see, but adequate."
https://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/ruger-380-lcp-reborn-new-lcp-ii-full-review/
As an older guy with increasing difficulty racking (tiny) slides, this new gun with half the effort to rack looks good to me.
John Davies
Spokane WA
mohavesam
Hawkeye
http://www.rugerforum.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=243889&p=2461369&hilit=lcp#p2461369
Oops...
John, of course it has a firing pin. You are thinking of a striker no doubt, a different action/part altogether.
Oops...
John, of course it has a firing pin. You are thinking of a striker no doubt, a different action/part altogether.
djw54 said:LCP II? How about LCP American?
I really like the looks of it, which really do make it look like part of the American family.
The last round hold open is a nice feature.
The shape of the trigger guard looks different enough that accessories won't be compatible.
The new sights are an improvement over the original, without protruding as far as the sights on the Custom.
Huh, just noticed the trigger safety. I wonder if the trigger pull is different, requiring that trigger lever? My LCP Custom has a long double action pull, which would make that trigger safety redundant.
Ruger discribes the trigger as short and crisp.
eta: Just ran through the realguns review: Trigger is single action now (should have been obvious). It will take LCP magazines, but won't hold open with them.
Who wants to be the 1st to have their new LCP II stamped with a diamond? :mrgreen:
Well, that was a barn burner :mrgreen: One just sold on Gunbroker for $280 delivered.
www.gunbroker.com/item/589677199
www.gunbroker.com/item/589677199
Jayhawkhuntclub
Buckeye
How does that work? Never heard of a hammer gun with no firing pin. What strikes the primer?
Overall, this looks like a nice piece. If I had the original LCP, I would want to upgrade. But with the "gen 2" stainless version, I think I'll just hold. Would be nice to have last shot hold open though.
5of7
Hunter
Jayhawkhuntclub said:
I think it has a firing pin all right. I think what your quotee meant was that it is not striker fired. 8)
Yes it does have a hammer but it also has a firing pin.John E Davies said:It has a hammer, no firing pin.FergusonTO35 said:
The internal hammer is still visible when it is fully back, but it has a much smaller opening... I like that, it will help keep lint from accumulating inside.
"They’ve even gone one step further with a new, integrated blade safety trigger design evolved from the LC9s, that, and I say this with a great deal of respect for the “Red Trigger Ruger” (which I carry every day), makes the LCP II worth stepping up for. The average trigger pull on an LCP is 6.5 pounds; the new LCP II trigger has a resistance of 5 pounds, 11 ounces on average. Ruger describes it as having a single-action-only (SAO) trigger. It has a long 0.75 inches of travel, firm stacking for the last 0.5 inches with a clean break, and short reset. Although it may seem strange to describe a trigger like this as a single-action, I think that Ruger’s reasoning behind this is that a double-action-only (DAO) would fully cock the hammer when you pull the trigger, and the LCP needs to have the slide cycled to set the hammer for the gun to be able to be fired. As a result, it offers no second-strike capability but the new slide requires only half as much effort to rack, and a short stroke to re-cock the internal hammer in the event of a misfire. It is a much-improved trigger and slide design, and I really liked the “Red Trigger Ruger” LCP Custom. One other change to the pistol’s internal hammer-fired design is that only the top third of the hammer, rather than the entire back of the hammer, appears in the rear slide opening when the action is cycled. This is a little harder to see, but adequate."
https://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/ruger-380-lcp-reborn-new-lcp-ii-full-review/
As an older guy with increasing difficulty racking (tiny) slides, this new gun with half the effort to rack looks good to me.
John Davies
Spokane WA
usmc6433-6437
Bearcat
Lol. I never press check my LCP. I make sure the condition of the gun before I holster it, and remember.19ontheslide said:
FergusonTO35
Hunter
Hmm, so just how cocked is the hammer when it is at rest?
mohavesam
Hawkeye
The hammer is not cocked at all when at rest.
FergusonTO35
Hunter
Let me rephrase. I mean, how far back is the hammer when it is cocked but the trigger is all the way forward. My 2015 LCP is about half cocked in this condition.
Now I'm sure no body gives a rats rear end what I think but.....I have the second generation of the LCP and I like it I like it a lot. Was at my LGS today to put my hands on this latest and greatest LCP II. Now I'm sure some folks will be jumping naked to get one of these guns. However I played with one for an half hour and I say PLEASE Ruger give us a pocket carry folks a brake. It was like holding on to a very rough piece of sand paper. The rear portion of the grip frame is slimmer than the old model making it ever harder to hold on to. The rear portion of the front and rear sights are serrated making it more apt to pull on your pocket material when drawing. The trigger on the one I was shooting was like grinding through sand but did smooth out after a 100 rounds. Thanks so much for your efforts Ruger but I think I'll keep the LCP I have.
HIP SHOT
Bearcat
Just got an email from the Ruger Newsroom and it doesn't mention the LCP II. They show a new contest for posting your customized 10-22, the Ruger American Compact and the MK IV.
Interesting.
Hip Shot
Interesting.
Hip Shot
Well, I fondled my 1st new LCP today. 1st off, the size difference is negligible. If you have a form fitted pocket holster like I do, add that into the $299 price, + the extra magazine. The trigger? Let's just say that it was a major disappointment. After the take-up, there might be another 3/16" of hard creep before it broke, or maybe not. Very inconsistent. The arthritis in my trigger finger joint is the worst of all my other joints 
This trigger pull was painful to say the least. It's hard to gauge how many #'s it took, but let's just say that it was way firmer than my early LCP example. Not too long ago I tried the trigger on an LC9 Pro and it was amazing! Not so with this single example.
Oh, I'm sure that Ruger would make it right if it were sent back to them...
This trigger pull was painful to say the least. It's hard to gauge how many #'s it took, but let's just say that it was way firmer than my early LCP example. Not too long ago I tried the trigger on an LC9 Pro and it was amazing! Not so with this single example.Oh, I'm sure that Ruger would make it right if it were sent back to them...
DA_TriggR4Ruger
Hunter
...for when you couldn't get it right the first time.
mohavesam
Hawkeye
Sights on a belly gun. What will they think of next?
Saw then go as low as $255 on GB (plus inflated shipping of course). LGS has them on the shelf for $269.
The LCP (and Kel-Tec) have served well as a boot gun when equipped with a belt-clip setup, either Kel-Tec's or a copy. They are also light/small enough to carry in a jacket breast-pocket when out for dinner or when any gun is better than no gun in a social setting. Test-firing and practice at 3-4 yards is sensible, but comparing the trigger and sights to anything remotely more distance-oriented is folly on this ranch. (we have Smith & Wessons for that!)
Saw then go as low as $255 on GB (plus inflated shipping of course). LGS has them on the shelf for $269.
The LCP (and Kel-Tec) have served well as a boot gun when equipped with a belt-clip setup, either Kel-Tec's or a copy. They are also light/small enough to carry in a jacket breast-pocket when out for dinner or when any gun is better than no gun in a social setting. Test-firing and practice at 3-4 yards is sensible, but comparing the trigger and sights to anything remotely more distance-oriented is folly on this ranch. (we have Smith & Wessons for that!)
I bought one of these when I saw it for sale, and am not sorry. For me the selling point was the single action trigger. I have always liked the size and weight of the LCP, but wanted something with a SA trigger, and ended up with a Sig P238, which is bigger and much heavier than the LCP (16 vs 10 oz.).
For anyone still confused, the LCP II is "full" single action and hammer fired. Carrying it with a round in the chamber is like carrying a 1911 cocked and locked, with no thumb safety. The only safety is the trigger, which is like many striker fired (Glock) pistols.
It's like Ruger looked at the specs of the LCP and asked "How can we modernize this gun, give it a single action trigger, and address some of the issues with it." The result is the LCP II, with modernized ergonomics, better sights, and a single action trigger. My comparisons are against the LCP, not the LCP Custom, which is no longer listed as a product on the Ruger web site.
Bottom line: If you prefer a double action trigger, you might be happier with the LCP, or LCP Custom.
Merus
For anyone still confused, the LCP II is "full" single action and hammer fired. Carrying it with a round in the chamber is like carrying a 1911 cocked and locked, with no thumb safety. The only safety is the trigger, which is like many striker fired (Glock) pistols.
It's like Ruger looked at the specs of the LCP and asked "How can we modernize this gun, give it a single action trigger, and address some of the issues with it." The result is the LCP II, with modernized ergonomics, better sights, and a single action trigger. My comparisons are against the LCP, not the LCP Custom, which is no longer listed as a product on the Ruger web site.
Bottom line: If you prefer a double action trigger, you might be happier with the LCP, or LCP Custom.
Merus
Ruger Redhawk
Single-Sixer
I got one last Saturday.
279.99 plus the Gov't's share. It was just under 300.00 O.T.D.
I probably could have waited and found it a couple bucks cheaper but it was there and I could inspect it.
The salesman said they have been going real fast. I got the last one from the back room and they only had the one in the showcase left. The LCP II's might not be for everyone but compared to my early production LCP it's like the difference between day and night.
279.99 plus the Gov't's share. It was just under 300.00 O.T.D.
I probably could have waited and found it a couple bucks cheaper but it was there and I could inspect it.
The salesman said they have been going real fast. I got the last one from the back room and they only had the one in the showcase left. The LCP II's might not be for everyone but compared to my early production LCP it's like the difference between day and night.
FergusonTO35
Hunter
I examined an LCP II at the fun store the other day and was impressed. It adds a bit of size and weight, which is welcome to me. The sights are easier to see. Yes, some of us actually do practice alot with small carry guns and take them seriously. I thought the trigger pull felt similar to my Glock 42, except there is a rolling break rather than a hard break. Overall I like it, however I am going to wait and see if any safety concerns or recalls shake out. I really don't feel comfortable with an almost cocked hammer and no passive firing pin safety or hammer block.
