Ruger formally lists SR-40

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Check out the web site. Ruger is announcing the SR40 now. This is after
Davidsons had listed it on there web site a week ago. How strange!!!!!

Hip Shot
 
And it's only available in Stainless. Ships with 2 15 round mags only, so there's no 10 round options (yet). Pretty much guaranteed to not be available in CA or MA for a little while.

Josh
 
jhearne said:
And it's only available in Stainless. Ships with 2 15 round mags only, so there's no 10 round options (yet). Pretty much guaranteed to not be available in CA or MA for a little while.

Josh

Black gun should be available soon. Looked at the owners manual and the black 40 is shown in the parts list, black part #'s and all.
Can't wait for a C version.
Sal
 
Sal1950 said:
jhearne said:
And it's only available in Stainless. Ships with 2 15 round mags only, so there's no 10 round options (yet). Pretty much guaranteed to not be available in CA or MA for a little while.

Josh

Black gun should be available soon. Looked at the owners manual and the black 40 is shown in the parts list, black part #'s and all.
Can't wait for a C version.
Sal

Nice to know, figured it was coming eventually. Noticed the exploded view PDF (online) is of the SR9 :lol:. A C version will be very welcomed I'm sure.

Josh
 
I put a call in to Ruger this afternoon to ask about MA certification and availability. I cannot see why this pistol wouldn't be successfully certified in MA as there is nothing substantively different about it from a contemporaneously manufactured SR9 aside from the caliber.

If anything the delay is MA bureaucratic red tape and their two-tiered certification system. It has to make the MA Approved Firearms Roster and then it has to be approved by the Attorney General's (you remember her - she lost to Scott Brown and came back here to Massachusetts) office for consumer protection bonafides before any gun dealer here in the Commonwealth will put one on their shelves, unless they want to be put out of business. If anything the SR40 is one of the more safety-feature packed guns you can buy, so I anticipate that MA will certify it, the question is how long it will take.

One of the reasons I can't buy a lot of good firearms here in MA is that not enough manufacturers are willing to submit perfectly good handguns to be effectively destroyed in the MA certification process. I was surprised and delighted that Kahr Arms took the necessary steps (and took the upfront loss on a well-engineered gun) to homologate their PM9 for sale here. A lot of smaller manufacturers don't even bother trying in Massachusetts, particularly with really nice subcompact guns like the PM9.

BIG Kudos to Kahr for doing that, it's an expen$ive little pistol - the antithesis of a "saturday night special" - and I'm glad they respected people here in MA enough to go through the process. From what I have heard they are selling well even at nearly a thousand bucks apice. They're good CCW weapons and a very welcome choice for people here.

We cannot buy Ruger LCPs, by the way. Officially forbidden. Any time one of you guys in the sane states shoots one, ask yourself why MA - the home of Harvard, MIT, Boston University, a stone's throw from Yale, and many, many others - thinks people here are too stupid to own one. Makes sense, no?

http://www.kahr.com/PA-1_9mm_pm.html

I trust that Ruger wants to sell the SR40 here - they have one practically guaranteed customer already ;) - and I will report back whatever I learn.
 
I got a phone call back from a very nice woman at Ruger and she told me basically what I already knew: The SR40 is in the pipeline for MA approval but Ruger is going to do with this pistol what all handguns made by stand-up manufacturers have to do: wend their way through the full approval and certification process before they are officially for sale. That takes time, and of course a 10-round magazine will be required. She couldn't give me a date for approval and I understand that completely, it's kind of a Shakespearean question here in MA.

Once again I was impressed with Ruger customer service. I left a phone number last night with my question and was contacted this morning by someone intelligent who knew what they were talking about (and incidentally someone with a great telephone presence and an upbeat sense of humor, which is nice.)

I'll be talking with my local dealers and checking in on this topic and I'll report back whatever new I learn. As I said before I can't see any objective reason the SR40 shouldn't make the cut here.
 
Sounds like it'll get there, just a matter of time for MA and most definitely CA too. There's plenty of market there to warrant the investing of time and money to get the firearms approved....I wish more manufacturers would, but I really wish lawmakers would use a little common sense.

Josh
 
jhearne said:
Sounds like it'll get there, just a matter of time for MA and most definitely CA too. There's plenty of market there to warrant the investing of time and money to get the firearms approved....I wish more manufacturers would, but I really wish lawmakers would use a little common sense.

Josh

Believe me, everyone in Massachusetts who understands the laws, how they were enacted, the stated rationale for how they were "stood up" here, and what the real effects of them being enacted were, with 12 years of hindsight, agrees with you. That includes most law enforcement officers who have a critical interest in public safety and keeping guns out of the hands of people who shouldn't have them. Most of the ones I've spoken to, at least, are aware that the licensed gun owners in this state are not and never have been the problem here. There are a few who basically have no choice politically, so they take the opposite position, but my feeling is that even among LEOs they're in the minority.

http://www.goal.org/

Except some of the people who enacted the laws. They're not LEOs for the most part, they're legislators, and that's a big difference. They ignore the 12 years of hindsight and just don't care much about it, because enacting those laws wasn't based on data or evidence from the very beginning - it was based on ideology and political fealty and prejudice and the desire to assert control that wasn't based on any kind of reality except power.

Cruel irony that it happened in Massachusetts, isn't it? The home of the Minutemen is one of the states where the private ownership of firearms is under relentless attack.

It's the worst way to make laws, but Massachusetts did it. How could anyone expect them to reverse their position now? After they've done what they wanted to do and failed, it would be much more embarrassing to admit they were wrong.
 
No offense NixieTube but the voters of your state have to wake up.

"Edward Moore "Ted" Kennedy (February 22, 1932 – August 25, 2009) was a United States Senator from Massachusetts and a member of the Democratic Party. Serving almost 47 years, he was the second most senior member of the Senate when he died and is the fourth-longest-serving senator in U.S. history"

They repeatedly voted this man into office, when in reality he should have been in jail many years ago for vehicular homicide but money and privilege bought his way out of that. I live in IL and as such sure a hell won't throw any stones, this state is equally socialist and corrupt.. Guess all I'm saying is, NOVEMBERS COMING. Do all you can to get out the vote and support the NRA before it's too late in Washington too.
Sal
 
No offense taken Sal1950 I know you're speaking the truth :). There are a handful of Massachusetts legislators from both parties who understand and really get it about MA firearms laws. They know because they're firearm owners themselves, and they spend a lot of time talking with their firearm-owning constituencies, shooting with them, and really looking at what the effect of the laws here have been. But they're a minority in the Legislature here, at least right now.

It's a problem of education and dialogue, and I've told all my State Representatives in person that I'm interested in fostering and continuing that dialogue so that we can all arrive at better outcomes that are defensible, and I regularly cross partisan lines to support them on that issue.

But it's something you have to be very conscious of and active about in a state like this Commonwealth, and you need to convince people with real arguments and civil persuasion rather than bluster and anger. To put it a little luridly, you can't come off as being pro-gun here and be perceived as "foaming at the mouth" even though the laws as they currently exist are misguided. You have to *convince* people, not just whap them upside the head and tell them to "wake up." The "wake up" message looks funny on TV and in the movies, but it doesn't get you very far with people who actually have their political careers at stake. Instead, you have to give them reasons to defend their positions in front of the voters, and help to articulate them sensibly, as messages they can defend, and as something someone could discuss over lunch or at a fundraiser. Boring, I know. But that's how it *is*. That is where politicians interact with their supporters, and that's how the political process works, and it doesn't really matter if the existing laws aren't what you'd prefer. You go to them and make your case, and it had better be something they can use and defend, not something their opponent can paint as "freaky."

If someone on the House Ways and Means Committee in the Massachusetts Legislature needs to defend their vote in your favor, you need to have the answer well thought through, because the first thing they're going to ask you -- particularly when their vote opposes the express wishes of the Governor of Massachusetts -- is: "How do I defend this vote?" (Or nonvote, as the case may be).

Like it or not, think it's sensible or not, agree with it or not, that's a large part of how politics really works. It's not just money, although a lot of cynics think it's all money, it really isn't: there really is a hard core of defensibility that you have to establish in order to convince legislators in an adverse state like MA to vote in your favor. We need the money *and* the brains, so to speak. Too often we have one without the other. :)

The good thing is that that means that people without large sums to give really do have a voice. At least that is what I've found. People would be surprised, I think, at what a persistent and thoughtful letter-writing campaign can do, but you have to walk the walk.

I was active in opposing H.4102 here in Massachusetts and I'm glad I was, because it was a terrible law. In the end, the legislators agreed with me, even though it went right to the wire, but enough of them understood that it was a bad law not to allow it to reach the floor, even as a horse-trade.
 
Say what you want ( I believe any law breaker should be held accountable and drunk drivers put to sleep.) but Ted Kennedy was one of a handful of politicians who actually accomplished anything for this state. Yea he was not a great person but he was a great politician.
It is funny, to be heard you need to have the support of a party, to get support you need to not make waves. It frustrates me so much. I think campaigns should have a "salary cap" if you will.
Im also excited to see the 40 pass for MA. I lust over the sr9c extended mags quite often though :-(
 
DC_Design said:
Yea he was not a great person but he was a great politician.

You being a gun owner and a member of this forum, I find it very curious how you can make such a statement about one of the most liberal, anti-gun politicians of the last 50 years????
Oh well I don't want to hijack this thread or start a political war here but now I may just be beginning to understand why the laws in Mass stand the way they do.
Sal
 
CA and MA ?????? Where is that at, Oooooo I know, thats in communist russia, I remember now.
 
NixieTube said:
One of the reasons I can't buy a lot of good firearms here in MA is that not enough manufacturers are willing to submit perfectly good handguns to be effectively destroyed in the MA certification process.


Not really, the problem is the State of Mass. is full of Liberal A$$holes who want to screw with your 2nd Amendment rights in any way possible.

Though I know I'm preachin' to the choir here...

Vote with your feet, life is better in a free state. (Moved from NY to Oregon in 1988, I won't even go back to visit family! :) I'll be ordering an SR-40 in about a half hour and taking it home after Fedex delivers it to the shop tomorrow afternoon. That's the way it should be.

Rant off. Thanks for listening.
 
now that i think of it...i was unable to buy a p95 in Mass. because they wouldn't certify it safe...and that has a 10 round mag. option availble from ruger. go figure?
 

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