Remington files Chapter 11.....
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The “Guns and Leather” radio show mentioned that the owners were all about money only. No love for guns. Marlin Closed down production lines of all but the pistol rifle lines.
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#1rugerman
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When I graduated from college in my neck of the woods the Remington 1100 and 870 wingmaster were king of the hill as far as shotguns went, so sad to see Remington falling by the wayside.
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What do they make that people want?
I've had a Rem 870 pump 18.5 barrel shotgun for 6 yrs. and works fine. Also bought a Marlin,they call it a "Remlin", 1895 GS Guide Gun in .45-70 about 3 yrs. ago after looking at 5 of them to pick best quality one.
Since Remington took control of Marlin some years ago it has been a struggle to get the quality up to par.
Since Remington took control of Marlin some years ago it has been a struggle to get the quality up to par.
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What products do they make that people want?
Is that difficult to understand?
Is that difficult to understand?
Acorn
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Well I guess I can kiss my $100 rebate good-bye!
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Remington High Velocity 22 Long Rifle ammunition gives me 100% reliability in my Ciener Conversion Units, with other brands I get constant failures to extract and eject.
The quality of their work has greatly deminished in recent years. Comparing rifles made in the 1970's with those made recently shows a marked decline. A Cheap plastic stock and a sandpaper action described the last new Remington I purchased.
The issues with Marlins after the takeover and Model 51 pistol issues severly damaged the company's reputation.
The issues with Marlins after the takeover and Model 51 pistol issues severly damaged the company's reputation.
Rick Courtright
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Hi,
We should remember that if they're filing Chapter 11, commonly referred to as a reorganization, it doesn't mean that the company is automatically going out of business... they're trying to line up the ducks, if any are still around. Could end up with new ownership, or not. I'm not sure Cerberus did any one of the companies under their umbrella a service, but that's to be expected from that type of organization. Bottom line is king, customer be da(r)ned. Almost sounds like Ruger under a previous CEO...
I wish Remington (and Ruger, for that matter), in present or future form, the best of luck getting back on track.
Rick C
We should remember that if they're filing Chapter 11, commonly referred to as a reorganization, it doesn't mean that the company is automatically going out of business... they're trying to line up the ducks, if any are still around. Could end up with new ownership, or not. I'm not sure Cerberus did any one of the companies under their umbrella a service, but that's to be expected from that type of organization. Bottom line is king, customer be da(r)ned. Almost sounds like Ruger under a previous CEO...
I wish Remington (and Ruger, for that matter), in present or future form, the best of luck getting back on track.
Rick C
xtratoy
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In closed post http://www.rugerforum.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=265592 Remingtons problems are blamed on the model 700 trigger and also the R51. I have 8 700's (1st year production to within last 5 years, no x-mark triggers) in the safe and a R51 and have never had trigger problems with mine. My R51 has been an dependable, accurate gun so far.
mohavesam
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The same could happen to any manufacturing company.
Personally I think Marlin is producing better rifles now through Remington than they did near the end of running the company itself. So much of the equipment was sloppy it was taking a lot of hand work which cause them problems getting them out and things slip by because of it. Remington had a tough start because they had to start over with equipment but they finally got it sorted out. Personally I prefer the older models, I even have some with the push button safety, but I've got those with out the button also. I think it has more to do with my age, and being set in my ways, with that preference.
xtratoy
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I have a Remlin stainless 336 30-30 and the fit and function are great. I have no complaints about the gun. Now if Remington would have just got the Model 94 stainless 357 in a normal carbine I would have bought one of those. The two models recently released won't be purchased by me.Bear Paw Jack said:
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gunzo said:
Sounds like they need different analysts.
Rick Courtright
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Hi,
There's a Marlin 336 .30-30 living here which was made around '81-'82. My brother in law has a couple of Remlins, purchased a couple of years after Remington got things "sorted out" with new machinery, etc.
In a side by side comparison, I'd offer our memories sometimes play tricks on us, remembering the "old" one as being of much higher quality than the new one... fit, finish, function and accuracy of HIS Remlins matches or exceeds the old one in every way we've compared them. That's not to say Remington didn't adopt Ruger's mentality: "Let's slip a good one in there every once in a while. It'll confuse 'em!"
Rick C
There's a Marlin 336 .30-30 living here which was made around '81-'82. My brother in law has a couple of Remlins, purchased a couple of years after Remington got things "sorted out" with new machinery, etc.
In a side by side comparison, I'd offer our memories sometimes play tricks on us, remembering the "old" one as being of much higher quality than the new one... fit, finish, function and accuracy of HIS Remlins matches or exceeds the old one in every way we've compared them. That's not to say Remington didn't adopt Ruger's mentality: "Let's slip a good one in there every once in a while. It'll confuse 'em!"
Rick C
Rick, I'm not surprised at all. Marlin was on the brink when Remington bought them.
mohavesam
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Marlin. a dead company when they sold out. Avoid the 2004-2007 products, when Marlin was on the ropes and their quality system was laughable by American standards. After Remington saved the name and tried moving the machinery, they found most of the prints (engineering drawings) were trash, having been redlined and modified without approval, and the machinery was worn out and largely un-useable. Remington poured money and skilled labor into saving the lever actions and other designs, which probably contributed heavily to the current bankruptcy filing.
I for one am not worried about Rem working their way through chapter 11, a common bookkeeping tool as anyone recognizes.I would be more confident in their management structure, however, if they moved operations to a state where a gun manufacturer is protected by statute (Arizona).
I for one am not worried about Rem working their way through chapter 11, a common bookkeeping tool as anyone recognizes.I would be more confident in their management structure, however, if they moved operations to a state where a gun manufacturer is protected by statute (Arizona).
Rick Courtright
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Bear Paw Jack said:
Hi,
I understand that, but the "old" one we're comparing is from way before safeties and such. Shouldn't that still be one of the better ones? As I said, it seems to have been built about 20 years before Remington stepped in. They couldn't have been in serious trouble THAT long, could they?
Rick C
bobski
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remingtons guns should have had owners manuals in Russian. I mean, afterall....
Rick it wasn't till 1980 that Marlins sales, caught up to and surpassed Winchester. They had been in business since 1870, with 22's and such. Winchester was the marvel in the levergun industry.
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At one time Remington made possibly the best hunting knives on the planet. They sold the knife business to PAL.
They were one of the original manufacturers of 1911's.
They own three of the most iconic and successful gun models ever.
The 870 pump shotgun, the 572 pump action .22, and the Marlin 39a.
It's too bad to see what has happened to them, and I sure hope they can come back. It's not that long ago, Harley was on the ropes and they came back, same thing with Chrysler.
We need to have great American company's competing on a global level.
They were one of the original manufacturers of 1911's.
They own three of the most iconic and successful gun models ever.
The 870 pump shotgun, the 572 pump action .22, and the Marlin 39a.
It's too bad to see what has happened to them, and I sure hope they can come back. It's not that long ago, Harley was on the ropes and they came back, same thing with Chrysler.
We need to have great American company's competing on a global level.
DGW1949
Hawkeye
Re: "They were one of the original manufacturers of 1911's."...
As far as I know, Remington never made any 1911's. That would have been Remington-Rand (the type writer company). Me thinks that you are confusing the two.
Remington Arms did come out with it's own version of the Colt Series-80 not too long ago, strictly for commercial sales...but that's a different gun, built in a different era.
DGW
As far as I know, Remington never made any 1911's. That would have been Remington-Rand (the type writer company). Me thinks that you are confusing the two.
Remington Arms did come out with it's own version of the Colt Series-80 not too long ago, strictly for commercial sales...but that's a different gun, built in a different era.
DGW
mohavesam
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Remington will survive as one of the country's oldest and most-successful manufacturing companies, by gun owners buying new products. Nothing else matters. Not nostalgia, not collectors, not politicians.
Selling new products saves companies. And Remington has a huge catalog for the sportsman/sportswoman, not just some of the finest firearms on this planet (and they have a custom shop). So go buy something. 8)
Selling new products saves companies. And Remington has a huge catalog for the sportsman/sportswoman, not just some of the finest firearms on this planet (and they have a custom shop). So go buy something. 8)
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DGW1949 said:
Remington UMC made over 21,000 1911's in 1918&1919. Only Colt and Springfield made earlier ones. Remington UMC was the third manufacturer to get a contract to make them.
Here is a link to back me up. http://www.coolgunsite.com/pistols/colt%20production.htm
