Rem. Model 8---America's oldest semi-auto assault rifle?

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hpman66

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This John Browning designed rifle(October 16, 1900, Browning was granted U.S. Patent 659,786) could be described by progressive/socialist lib dem gun grabbers/haters as possibly America's oldest semi-auto assault rifle. Famed Texas Ranger Frank Hamer customized a .35 Remington Model 8 with a special-order 15-round magazine from Petmeckey's Sporting Goods store in Austin, Texas. The Rem Model 8 could penetrate 1/4" plate steel.


http://www.downrange.tv/blog/on-midway-usas-gun-stories-the-remington-model-8/35528/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remington_Model_8
 

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My idea of an "assault rifle" is a Sprignfield M1888 in 45-70-it's what I carried up San Juan Hill in 1898 :mrgreen:
 

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The first successful semi-auto rifle goes back to 1885 and German-born gunsmith Ferdinand Ritter von Mannlicher's Model 85. It was possibly the inspiration for the M1 Garand.
 

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blackhawknj said:
My idea of an "assault rifle" is a Sprignfield M1888 in 45-70-it's what I carried up San Juan Hill in 1898 :mrgreen:

Thanks, I have edited my OP to state "semi-auto assault rifle".
 

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I would nominate Browning's BAR, it was purpose built and designed around an issued round.
 

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blackhawknj said:
I would nominate Browning's BAR, it was purpose built and designed around an issued round.

I think you are not understanding the intent of my thread. My understanding is that the Rem. Model 8 was the FIRST/OLDEST semi-auto American made rifle, therefore to the progressive/socialist lib dem gun grabbers/haters it would qualify as an ASSAULT RIFLE. I agree that the BAR is a better weapon, but it was NOT THE FIRST SEMI-AUTO RIFLE.
 

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I believe the Model 1905 Winchester in .35 Winchester pre dates the Model 8 by a year. The later model 1907 in .351 Winchester was used in France during WWI.
 

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I have one in 30 rem. Shot a few deer and lot of cans with it when I was
I was young.HAVE A LOT OF AMMO STILL GOING TO GIVE TO A GRAND KID WHEN I GO
 

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thickice said:
I believe the Model 1905 Winchester in .35 Winchester pre dates the Model 8 by a year. The later model 1907 in .351 Winchester was used in France during WWI.

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MODEL 8
October 16, 1900, Browning was granted U.S. Patent 659,786

WINCHESTER 1905
The basic design for the Winchester Model 1905 is covered by U.S. Patent 681,481 issued August 27, 1901
 

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dougader said:
I'd love to have a Model 8, in 35 Remington.

I seem to remember going into a gun shop back in the '80s and they had two Rem. Model 8s---both were in 35 Rem, IIRC. I "NOW" kick myself for not hammering on one of them. :cry: Also IIRC, both were in fairly decent shape but I can't remember what the prices were on them. "BACK THEN", something like a Rem Model 8 was not on my "priority list".
 

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Is it really about the first or the first successful? The Garand changed warfare forever. Semi-auto, large caliber, reliable, accurate. It beat the Germans to their knees. Model ??? does not matter. Browning invented and delivered the first and only successful full power semi-automatic rifle. 35 Rem.???? gosh I am impressed. I know where you are going with this but it really doesn't work. 30/06 in a semi is the ultimate battle rifle and the M1A is the ultimate in .308. The comparisons can be unending. 5.56 v .308. 5.56 v 30/06.

Does it not come down to weight? Yes a WWII soldier carried a M1, a Korean war soldier carried an M1, a Vietnam soldier either carried a M14 or a M16. The M16 of course, it got truly horrible reviews/got men killed reputation. It is perfect for the last 30 years. I would much rather carry an M16/AR15 then a heavier battle rifle. That really was the point now wasn't it? JMO.

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I have been eyeballing one in .35 rem locally for 6 months....I have a thing for vintage deer rifles...appears to be in great shape, 699. listed.
 

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I reject the "assault rifle" concept as too vague and the gun grabbers would label my M1888 as an "evil black rifle".
 

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Let me state it one more time, the point I am trying to drive across is the FACT THAT SEMI-AUTO RIFLES have been around for a LONG TIME! The progressive/socialist lib dem gun grabbers/haters seem to be trying to indoctrinate all the low-info Kool-Aid drinking voters into believing that the "Assault Rifle"/semi-auto rifle is a recent modern invention---the AR15. In fact the first successful semi-auto that predated even the Rem Model 8 and the Winchester Model 1905 was the Mannlicher Model 1885. The first successful design for a semi-automatic rifle is attributed to German-born gunsmithFerdinand Ritter von Mannlicher, who unveiled the design in 1885.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semi-automatic_firearm
 

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But see you are missing the point. An assault rifle is fully automatic, not semi-auto. Every definition you read, every definition you hear from intelligent people is it is full auto. The USMC never ever mentioned assault rifle even though ours were fully automatic. You are getting upset over something that is unimportant with the folks on this forum. We all know this. We know the definitions, we just have to do something about reeducating the public. An impossible feat. You are correct the 1905 is not an assault weapon. Neither is the M1 or M1A or the M1 carbine or the Ruger 10/22. Also, the AR15 is not an assault weapon. It is not because it requires 1 action to fire 1 bullet.

ALL ASSAULT WEAPONS ARE FULL AUTO. Does that make it better? I don't think so but if that is what you like to read. My friend, it really does not matter, I will kill some of them before they kill me. If a cop or soldier takes it up to take away my weapons then they best be prepared for a fight. It is against the constitution which is the law of the land. This makes me in the right. Isn't that really your point?


Semper Fi:

Karl


PS: I can shoot the eye out of a mouse, come get me, even at my upper middle age.
 

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737tdi said:
But see you are missing the point. An assault rifle is fully automatic, not semi-auto.

ALL ASSAULT WEAPONS ARE FULL AUTO.

Semper Fi:

Karl


PS: I can shoot the eye out of a mouse, come get me, even at my upper middle age.

I agree with you 100% that true/real assault weapons are full auto. However, I was trying to go by the jackwagon/psychobabble progressive/socialist lib dem gun grabbers/haters "defintion" of "assault rifle" which includes "EVERYTHING" from a Ruger10/22&Marlin Model 60 on up.
 

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hpman66 said:
737tdi said:
But see you are missing the point. An assault rifle is fully automatic, not semi-auto.

ALL ASSAULT WEAPONS ARE FULL AUTO.

Semper Fi:

Karl


PS: I can shoot the eye out of a mouse, come get me, even at my upper middle age.

I agree with you 100% that true/real assault weapons are full auto. However, I was trying to go by the jackwagon/psychobabble progressive/socialist lib dem gun grabbers/haters "defintion" of "assault rifle" which includes "EVERYTHING" from a Ruger10/22&Marlin Model 60 on up.
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I absolutely understand. The word is and will always be a political trigger. Assault Weapon brings thoughts about the military in combat. The press is the problem. They keep saying "assault weapon" and idiots suck it up. I don't think there is a way to stop it other then post on their pages that it is not. I do know that a local channel here has stopped. Don't know if it was due to people commenting on their boards (I hope so) or realizing their mistakes. I am just glad that they realized they were reporting crap.


Karl
 

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Karl-I understand what you are saying. We usually eat barbecue with sauce here but some smoked ribs with a good rub on them are really good also & I might eat them without any sauce. You made me think about how my wife cooks chicken parmesan. I never liked it in restaurants because they cook it smothered in the sauce. She cooks the chicken & pasta & puts the sauce out separate so I can use it to accent the taste but not bury it. I like it much better than the same dish from a restaurant. Still though whether one slathers the sauce on or uses it as a dip the sauce is what usually separates one barbecue restaurant from another in my mind.
 

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