New favorite toys

[CraigC]

No, I haven't lost my mind and won't be selling off all my sixguns but I do like at least a little variety.

I decided back in February to get a few suppressors before the rule change in July. We setup a family NFA trust and put in for a few back in early March. A couple of Element 2's and a Ti-rant .45 to start. Then another Ti-rant .45, a TacSol Axiom and a SilencerCo Hybrid that are still pending. We got the first three a couple weeks ago and it's been a blast but so far the pistols are the most fun. Here's a shot of my 22/45 with Volquartsen trigger kit, Bushnell Micro red dot, Streamlight light/laser combo and black micarta from LSCG. So far it's accounted for several armadillos and possums.

Number two is the new version of the CZ Scorpion 9mm. This one is in flat dark earth with a Shockwave folding brace, Primary Arms advanced micro red dot, Magpul sling and as soon as I get my Ti-Rant .45 suppressor out of NFA jail I can stop borrowing Dad's. It's a hell of a lot of fun, especially since 9mm seems to be a substitute for hard-to-find .22LR ammo.

 

[Joe S.]

The CZ is my favorite of the modern 9mm "carbines", er, pistols.

I like them as much as a Marlin Camp 9.

Dont they make a carbine version too?

 

[hdxr750]

May I ask, What is the new rule?

 

[WendyZXZ]

That is a fine looking pair of firearms!

 

[CraigC]

The CZ is my favorite of the modern 9mm "carbines", er, pistols.

I like them as much as a Marlin Camp 9.

Dont they make a carbine version too?

They do but my original plan was to SBR it and that's easier with a pistol. The Shockwave brace may postpone the tax stamp.

May I ask, What is the new rule?

Used to be that if you put it in a trust, you did not have to have local law enforcement sign off on it or be fingerprinted. Now, all trustees must be fingerprinted for each transfer and you have to provide written notification to your local sheriff. Which negated some of the benefits of using a trust.

 

[Joe S.]

The CZ is my favorite of the modern 9mm "carbines", er, pistols.

I like them as much as a Marlin Camp 9.

Dont they make a carbine version too?

They do but my original plan was to SBR it and that's easier with a pistol. The Shockwave brace may postpone the tax stamp.

That is why I bought my Ranch Hand. Ha

 

[RoninPA]

May I ask, What is the new rule?

The new NFA (National Firearms Act) rule, called 41F, changes the way the paperwork (Forms 1 and 4) using a trust is accomplished.

Prior to July 13, 2016, an individual doing a Form 4, had to submit fingerprints, photos and get the CLEO (Chief Law Enforcement Officer) to sign off on the form, (CLEOs can any number of people depending on your state of residence). For a trust doing the Form 1 or 4, the fingerprints, photos and CLEO sign off were not needed as the NFA item did not belong to any one person, it belonged to the trust that was set up. Any trustee of the trust could legally possess and use the NFA item.

On 13 July, the rules changed. For an individual, you still needed fingerprints and photos, but you did not need the CLEO sign off, the CLEO now just gets notified (although if the CLEO knows of information that would make it illegal for the requester to possess the NFA item, the CLEO can notify the ATF with this information.) For a trust, now, anyone on the trust that is a responsible person (RP) (all the trustees are RP's as well as the person who sets up the trust) must fill out a form, be fingerprinted and have photos taken. These forms and all the other stuff from the RP's is submitted with the original Form 4. Plus, the CLEO is again just notified about the action. However, in this new rule, the CLEOs of all the RP's are notified, so if you have 6 people on the trust as RP's and they live in 6 different areas of the state or in different states, the CLEOs where they live are to be notified. It is up to the RPs or the owner of the trust to do this.

Basically they made it harder to accomplish the paperwork for a trust but somewhat easier for an individual (since the CLEO who is anti gun can't deny the paperwork like they used to be able to - but even then there were workarounds due to who could legally sign off on the forms even if they weren't the "CLEO", like a judge, DA, etc.)

There's actually a lot of scenarios that could be posed and each could have a bit different way to approach it. The above is the basics of the new rule.

 

[Arokcrwlr]

Very nice Craig. I also have a Scorpion and my form 1 was approved a few weeks ago. It makes a wonderful SBR! I have a couple of cans that are awaiting parole - really looking forward to getting them.