LCP KABOOM, not mine

[ra]

Saw this on another forum, thought it would fit in here. This has to be the worst KABOOM I have seen online. You have to be a member of Highroad Forum to view the pictures.
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=798411

Roger

 

[s4s4u]

Wow, yet another reason not to shoot factory ammo ;-)

 

[FergusonTO35]

Wow, yet another reason not to shoot factory ammo ;-)

Agree wholeheartedly.

 

[revhigh]

It wouldn't take much to kaboom an LCWhatever, that's for sure.

Surprised there haven't been more. It's just a lightly built gun. Nothing against Ruger or the LC's ... They are what they are.

REV

 

[joemsj51]

Saw this on another forum, thought it would fit in here. This has to be the worst KABOOM I have seen online. You have to be a member of Highroad Forum to view the pictures.
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=798411

Roger

I am not a member there.
What's the story-line behind this?..... anything mentioned?

Sometimes LCP owners mistakenly do not read the manual (or ignore the manual) and shoot too many +p or +p+ loads, causing stress and cracks to the polymer gun in a hurry. Manual does state no +p ammo to be used.

I've encountered plenty of muzzleloaders blown up, when shooters opted to use forbidden smokeless powder in them, instead of blackpowder and/or substitute blackpowders.

 

[cadillo]

Couldn't get past the lack of viewable visual evidence and poor language: handle, clip, etc. The only real evidence I gleened was he was shooting Remington ammo, which is always a dangerous thing to do.

When I worked for Uncle Sam, we had all sorts of problems with Remington contract ammo. Had to send back a bunch of .45 acp, and .40 S&W. I never ever buy Remington ammo, even the Thunderbolt .22 lr. which is really bad for gross leading.

 

[cjs1945]

LCP is quite lite, not near as solid built as LC380, but being a locked breach pistol it did contain the pressure until the barrel let go, one can only wonder what might have happened if that round had been fired in a blow back action such as a Walther PPK/S.

 

[Al James]

Couldn't get past the lack of viewable visual evidence and poor language: handle, clip, etc. The only real evidence I gleened was he was shooting Remington ammo, which is always a dangerous thing to do.

When I worked for Uncle Sam, we had all sorts of problems with Remington contract ammo. Had to send back a bunch of .45 acp, and .40 S&W. I never ever buy Remington ammo, even the Thunderbolt .22 lr. which is really bad for gross leading.

Agreed! Remington ammo has been terrible for a long while[especially the rimfire]! I boycotted it a LONG time ago.

 

[Cheesewhiz]

My guess it was an overly crimped round were the case went into the rifling and balloned and blew up. This is very possible with a .380 round as it is a straight walled cartridge in a sloppy chamber. It can happen even with a tapered round like 9mm as long as the chamber is sloppy enough. Winchester and Remington have been putting out an awful lot of poorly (overly) crimped ammo for semi-auto pistols the last five or so years.

 

[NH Rugerman]

Based on the description in the owner's post, it sounds like a double powder charge to me...

"there was a really loud explosion and very heavy recoil. My thumb and palm felt like they had been hit with a hammer."

And contrary to the all knowing Rev High's :roll: comment, the LCP IS a strong little pistol...as it is a locked breach design, and so needs to be inherently strong for its size.

The reality is the pistol handled the exposition without injury to the shooter...what else can you ask for?

 

[revhigh]

Yup ...the LCWhatevers are very robust .... LOL.... You can see it just by looking at it ... Kinda like a Super Blackhawk ... :roll:

The lack of injury to the shooter was pure luck ... Not by design.

REV

 

[NH Rugerman]

Rev
A man who knows everything and nothing...all at the same time...

Amazing how you can be an expert on things you have NO knowledge of...but most of us on the forum who have been around awhile know you.

"Better to let men think your a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt" :roll: :shock: :lol:

 

[NH Rugerman]

Yup ...the LCWhatevers are very robust .... LOL.... You can see it just by looking at it ... Kinda like a Super Blackhawk ... :roll:

The lack of injury to the shooter was pure luck ... Not by design.

REV

Ruger has sold over 500,000 LC pistols, how many have failed?

You shouldn't comment on things you know zero about, but why stop now...

 

[revhigh]

Rev
A man who knows everything and nothing...all at the same time...

Amazing how you can be an expert on things you have NO knowledge of...but most of us on the forum who have been around awhile know you.

"Better to let men think your a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt" :roll: :shock: :lol:

Yup .... Look in the mirror .... Anybody who thinks the LC Whatever's are well built guns clearly needs more firearms education ... And/or experience.

By the way ... I've owned one for years ... Not an LCP ... But a P3AT ... Same thing prior to Ruger copying it ... but I call things the way they are without the benefit of Ruger flavored kool aid. Now I guess you'll tell me the Ruger isn't a copy of the P3AT ....

Why should any gun fail ? No matter how many have been sold ? The fact is that a less robustly built gun can stand less of an overcharge than a more robustly built gun. I have no doubt that the incident was caused by an overcharge, but how much of an overcharge would be the question. Either way ... I have zero doubt that the result would have been the same with EITHER gun ... Locked breach or not. There's only so much a cheap lightweight plastic pistol can take. It's why they don't even want you to use +P in them. Let alone unrated +P+.

REV

 

[NH Rugerman]

Rev HIGH has spoken...genuflect for he has Spoken...he has come to his conclusions based on no knowledge...plastic is weak....metal is better....


Go back to your cave....avoid the light...it is 2016.

 

[joemsj51]

We read our manuals and know quite clearly what it says about +p ammo. Plus, we are quite aware that plastic is cheaper and lighter than steel.

We like it that way....... great, light fit in our pocket and hardly any cash needed to buy it.

It's called a perfect marriage to us.
:mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

 

[Al James]

Fairly entertaining thread here..... :lol:

Interesting that the term Kaboom is usually attributed to a Glock pistol in anything but 9mm. It is so common that many switch to an aftermarket barrel with a supported chamber and traditional rifled barrel before they even shoot the gun. An entire aftermarket has been generated by the barrel design of the Glock. But yet it is considered to be "the end all be all" according to many in the industry. Perfection.

A double charge is bad no matter what you are shooting it from. A polymer or metal frame gun from any brand can detonate under such extreme PSI. If a load is hot enough to open the barrel up, I don't care what material the frame is made of. Bad things are going to happen.

If you don't reload its not that big of a concern % wise. As mentioned above...I do not trust Remington ammo 100%. I have seen far to many failures with Remington branded commercial ammunition.

However, if handloading....It is quite easy to double charge a pistol case at home if you are not paying attention or are distracted. :wink: Bad things will happen regardless of your frame material or fanboi affiliation. :)

 

[NH Rugerman]

Fairly entertaining thread here..... :lol:

Interesting that the term Kaboom is usually attributed to a Glock pistol in anything but 9mm. It is so common that many switch to an aftermarket barrel with a supported chamber and traditional rifled barrel before they even shoot the gun. An entire aftermarket has been generated by the barrel design of the Glock. But yet it is considered to be "the end all be all" according to many in the industry. Perfection.

A double charge is bad no matter what you are shooting it from. A polymer or metal frame gun from any brand can detonate under such extreme PSI. If a load is hot enough to open the barrel up, I don't care what material the frame is made of. Bad things are going to happen.

If you don't reload its not that big of a concern % wise. As mentioned above...I do not trust Remington ammo 100%. I have seen far to many failures with Remington branded commercial ammunition.

However, if handloading....It is quite easy to double charge a pistol case at home if you are not paying attention or are distracted. :wink: Bad things will happen regardless of your frame material or fanboi affiliation. :)

Your making way too much sense and stating too many facts....

Well done, Beau...well done! :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

 

[Yawn]

Rev HIGH has spoken...genuflect for he has Spoken...he has come to his conclusions based on no knowledge...plastic is weak....metal is better....


Go back to your cave....avoid the light...it is 2016.

Ha ha ha... That is the pot calling the supposed kettle black. Reread your post right there... It is completely full of each of your accusations... Especially the no knowledge part... Which you literally have not shared to support your suppositions. You can't be seriously trying to postulate that a half plastic firearm is as strong as an all metal firearm. But if your are... Then by all means, relay your knowledge of this since you sight others for making comments without any.

In complete sincerity, which all of my posts (especially to you), if your presence on this forum is in anyway not a complete show or act, please get some help. I am serious my friend... Your ability to do the very things that you complain about others doing (as you are complaining about them) is not a good sign. You have not cogently listened to one thing presented in any recent thread you have been a part of, nor presented any form of counter argument in any discussion. Really, all you have done is a poor attempt at trying to bully people. If you are acting this way in real life in any way, you are harming people around you. God has a better life plan for you. And if it is all an act, your desire to act as such even in play is disturbing in and of itself. Anyway, I hope the best for you.

 

[Poppy42]

First off revhigh it wasn't the plastic that exploded it the barrel I be leave they are still made of metal aren't they rev and if you look at the picks closely especially the spent cases, the one that failed, see that the primer looks different on the case that ruptured. That's cause the case was driven backwards under pressure into the breach face. What do you think might cause that? Bad ammo or a bore obstruction and since according to the original post we know that the gun fired properly up until the failure and I am pretty sure that the person firing the gun didn't have his finger or something else stuck in the end of the barrel that kind of narrows the cause down to ammunition not functioning properly not the " PLASTIC parts of the gun. At least that's what I think but I am certainly not as knowledgeable as a lot of other people when it come to these things.

 

[Poppy42]

And sorry bout the misspells and typos I can't spell or type worth a darn eather

 

[5of7]

Well, in my opinion, the LCP and the LC9 are both light weight handguns, designed with the purpose of making them carry-friendly.

I think it would be foolish in the extreme to think that these guns are capable of lasting long when +P ammo, or +P+ ammo was used. Doing such will certainly shorten the life span of the gun.

That is not what they were designed for. They are not the rugged handguns that Ruger, here-to-fore, has been noted for. Actually, if old Bill were still alive, they probably wouldn't even be in the line.

The blow up that we are talking about would likely have destroyed any other .380 being marketed today, even the all steel guns.

In short, it was not the gun that caused the failure, it was the ammo.....IMO. 8)

 

[revhigh]

Any more posts consisting of insults and/or name calling will be summarily deleted.

If you're not capable of discussing topics in an adult manner .... YOU will be deleted.

No need to delete accts and such ... Just don't post anymore.

REV

 

[s4s4u]

:roll:

 

[Captain America]

An over charge can be a nasty thing...

 

[revhigh]

Yup ... That DEFINITELY looks like an overcharge ! :D

REV

 

[DA_TriggR4Ruger]

Steve Rogers has a hand that can survive a NUKE! Thank God you were OK!