FS: Ruger Mark I air pistol Sold

[No.1Nick]

I took in on trade this Ruger Mark I air pistol. I have no idea why but really don't have any use for it. I got it from a friend who only put a few pellets through it and then decided he wanted a flashlight that I had worse. Anyway
I would like to sell it complete with pellets as seen in the pic and a brand new Crosman red dot. Everything is as new. The air rifle alone sells for $65 plus tax . Red Dot was $18 and $7 for the assorted pellets.
I would like $55 for everything plus $20 shipping in the lower 48.
1st to post here followed by an email to me at [email protected] can have this unique Ruger. Shipping from Iowa Thanks for looking! Nick

 

[RugerHound]

I have never seen one of those! (FFL for a pellet gun????) :shock:

 

[EZDUZIT]

I've shipped air guns for years through USPS. By ATF definitions, air guns are not considered firearms. Just trying to help. Neat gun! What's the velocity?

 

[tulsamal]

Yeah, you definitely don't need an FFL. Some gov't employee needs to go back to class.

 

[RugerHound]

Well if you can ship direct, I'll take it! That's just toooooo cool.

 

[No.1Nick]

Sorry for the delay. The gun is rated at 500ft per second with normal ammo and 600 ft per second with the PBA Raptor ammo.

While the ATF doesn't consider an air rifle a firearm, the Domestic Mail Manual does. I can quote you the exact definition if need be. Being it is under the DMM's definition of a handgun, it would have to be mailed FFL to FFL which makes it too expensive to ship. Yes there is no problem mailing an air rifle, but because of its size status , it is still considered a handgun. Folks, I am not making this stuff up.

Yeah, you definitely don't need an FFL. Some gov't employee needs to go back to class.

I'll take this last quote under advisement.
:roll:

 

[No.1Nick]

Here is the Domestic Mail Manual's definition of a firearm:

C024 Other Restricted or Nonmailable Matter
1.0 PISTOLS, REVOLVERS, AND OTHER CONCEALABLE FIREARMS
Definitions
1.1
The terms used in this standard are defined as follows:
a. Handgun means any pistol, revolver, or other firearm or device the mailing of
which is regulated by this standard.
b. Pistol or revolver means a handgun styled to be fired by the use of a single
hand and to fire or otherwise
spring, or other mechanical action, or air expel a projectile by the action of an explosion, or gas pressure with enough force
to be used as a weapon.
c. Firearm means any device, including a starter gun, designed to, or may
readily be converted to, expel a projectile by the action of an explosion,
spring, or other mechanical action, or air or gas pressure with enough force
to be used as a weapon.
d. Other firearms capable of being concealed on the person includes, but is not
limited to, short-barreled shotguns, and short-barreled rifles.

 

[golferboy426]

IMO UPS will not consider it a firearm so you could ship it that way.

 

[ndcowboy]

Sounds like Cabelas is going to Federal Prison for all the air handguns they've shipped without an FFL. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[ndcowboy]

By the way, I'm not saying the original poster is wrong, because USPS considers an air gun a real gun. HOWEVER, the ATF doesn't, and neither does UPS. They are shippable, just not through your local, friendly post office that is for some strange reason going broke.

 

[No.1Nick]

Lets try this again...... If Cabelas ships a an air rifle that is a HANDGUN through the mail to an individual then yes they could go to Federal Prison.
Long air rifles can ship to anyone but require an adult signature. I don't give a Rats ass what the ATF says. The Postal Service has to follow the guidelines
set forth in the Domestic Mail Manual. The air pistol is mailable, just has to be FFL holder to FFL holder like any other pistol. I realize that UPS will ship it.
But UPS ground is twice the price of USPS Priority Mail making a $55 air rifle not a real bargain but hey if you want to give me $40 to ship it UPS, go for it.

They are shippable, just not through your local, friendly post office that is for some strange reason going broke.

I have worked proudly for the USPS for the last 25 years and know way more than you will ever know about the financial condition of the Post Office.
It falls squarely on the fault of Congress.

Way to long of a reply to post here and most of you have your mind made up on the post office and wouldn't believe me anyway.

 

[VonFatman]

Well, best of luck to you.

Bob

 

[ndcowboy]

Lets try this again...... If Cabelas ships a an air rifle that is a HANDGUN through the mail to an individual then yes they could go to Federal Prison.
Long air rifles can ship to anyone but require an adult signature. I don't give a Rats ass what the ATF says. The Postal Service has to follow the guidelines
set forth in the Domestic Mail Manual. The air pistol is mailable, just has to be FFL holder to FFL holder like any other pistol. I realize that UPS will ship it.
But UPS ground is twice the price of USPS Priority Mail making a $55 air rifle not a real bargain but hey if you want to give me $40 to ship it UPS, go for it.

They are shippable, just not through your local, friendly post office that is for some strange reason going broke.

I have worked proudly for the USPS for the last 25 years and know way more than you will ever know about the financial condition of the Post Office.
It falls squarely on the fault of Congress.

Way to long of a reply to post here and most of you have your mind made up on the post office and wouldn't believe me anyway.

I wasn't trying to pick a fight with you. Really. I'm sorry.
I think all of us were just trying to find a way for you to sell your gun, including shipping through UPS. And most of us were shocked that USPS won't ship it.
Good luck with your sale.

 

[FIRERESCUEO2]

Copied from the ATF website .... which is why Cabellas, etc. can and do ship air rifles and pistols common carrier - and not USPS (depending on the State). This does not have anything to do with an FFL unless your State or locality laws apply - Plain and simple. An FFL transfer is NOT required to ship an air pistol as long as your State and local laws allow it and it does not have a frame or receiver of an actual firearm. Can you ship US Postal Service? NO. Can you ship common carrier? YES (depending on your local laws). This guy could possibly ship via UPS/Fed Ex for a reasonable amount - he just chooses not to, which is perfectly fine. Forget the hassle, sell it FTF and be done with it - but don't tell people part of the information about shipping air pistols other than USPS. This falls under "is it legal to do so in the state/locality of each party" rather than "is it legal to ship".

ATF Website:Q/A
Q: Does the ATF regulate the sale and possession of air guns? Is an air gun classified as a “firearm” under Federal law?

A:The term “firearm” is defined in the Gun Control Act of 1968, 18 U.S.C. Section 921(a)(3), to include (A) any weapon (including a starter gun), which will, or is designed to or may readily be converted to expel a projectile by the action of an explosive; (B) the frame or receiver of any such weapon…. Based on Section 921(a)(3), air guns, because they use compressed air and not an explosive to expel a projectile, do not constitute firearms under Federal law — unless they are manufactured with the frames or receivers of an actual firearm. Accordingly, the domestic sale and possession of air guns is normally unregulated under the Federal firearms laws enforced by ATF.

We caution that ATF is not charged with enforcement or oversight of the firearms laws of States or localities. To determine possible restrictions on air guns where you reside, we recommend that you contact the office of your state Attorney General, the State Police, or other State/local law enforcement authorities for further guidance.

 

[REP1954]

Federal law is one thing and state law is another. I live in the state of Michigan where the gun being offered must be transfered with a purchase permit from a FFL holder and then a registration card must be returned to the county that issued the permit which inturn sends a copy to the state.

 

[FIRERESCUEO2]

Federal law is one thing and state law is another. I live in the state of Michigan where the gun being offered must be transfered with a purchase permit from a FFL holder and then a registration card must be returned to the county that issued the permit which inturn sends a copy to the state.

Agreed; Pellet, Dart, combination of or larger than .177 smoth bore BB only qualify as "Firearms". I lived in MI for 40 years and could not understand some of the crazy laws and fees. So far, TN has been soooo much better on most of the gun laws.

Not meaning to debate on the thread - just throwing out some info ...........

Back on topic - I think that is one sweet pistol. I have never even seen one like it until today, so I thank you for posting it.

Good luck with the sale.

 

[Heavy Barrel]

For what it's worth,you can ship it FedEx for less than $20 with no porblem.

 

[No.1Nick]

I appreciate everyones help and advice. I am well aware that I can ship the air pistol by UPS or by FED EX. That was never an issue. The issue is that it is only $55 that I am asking and shipping it by any means makes it more than I figured anyone would want to pay. That is why in my original post I said FTF in Iowa or at the Des Moines gun show on Saturday.

 

[No.1Nick]

Due to family issues, I was unable to attend the Des Moines gun show last weekend so I have edited my post to reflect that I will now ship it it anywhere where legal in the lower 48 for $55 plus $20 shipping. (UPS)
Really a unique Ruger branded item I think.
Thanks again, Nick

 

[gunslinger_h]

I will take this for $75 shipped, provided you take a check. I am not well right now and cannot make trips to the Post office for another couple of weeks. If that is ok, send er to me. I will send an e-mail also. You can ask some here and they will tell you that I am good for it. Hank

 

[Xsales]

Hank is a stand up guy

Made a couple deals with him & shipped before he sent check

NO issue with ol' Hank

Xsales

 

[gunslinger_h]

Thanks Len. I appreciate the good word. It works both ways my friend. Hank

 

[twogunsg]

WOW!!!!!!! What happened to the good ol days ?

 

[No.1Nick]

Sale Pending to gunslinger_h. Thanks Hank

 

[gunslinger_h]

Check written Nick. Will be on the way in the morning. Please let me know when you receive it. Thanks much, Hank


The good old days are still here as long as I am concerned.lol With a family like we have here, the good old days will always exist in here. Hank

 

[COR]

WOW!!!!!!! What happened to the good ol days ?

THESE ARE THE GOOD OL' DAYS!

 

[gunslinger_h]

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