Drug these two out for the periodic wipe down. The 3 screw four digit flattop I always wanted to do dedicated 44 Russian but never followed thru......I fit all the parts and did the grips myself. The screws in it are purposely flattened for fitting the grip frame-I never put the originals back in. The other sure would have been a great candidate for 41 special! Sure liked the Clements Old Model Bisley Hammers and triggers!!