mohavesam
Hawkeye
I see CDNN has the Ruger American pistols on sale for $469. Two magazines, 9mm.
Well, that didn't last long? :shock:
Well, that didn't last long? :shock:
American now on Closeout?
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I don't think they are on closeout. I have seen them cheaper than that a couple of places online. Ruger semi-autos usually sell for around 80% of MSRP. So if MSRP is $579 IIRC 10% of that would be roughly $58. 8x58=464 so that would put the RAP right about in the ballpark of what Rugers usually sell for related to MSRP.
22/45 Fan
Hunter
The same CDNN e-mail had the Sig P226 and SA's XDS on sale. Do you think those are being closed out too?
CDNN is now a RUGER distributor and so they have access to Ruger's entire line...think whatever you will. And believe whatever rumors you like.....
Did you here that from someone who knows what they are talking about or just passing on What you heard? The RAP exceeded all the requirements of the new Modular Pistol Program and you can do a little research and verify that if you are interested. The reason Ruger will probably decide to not enter the RAP into the trials is a simple decision based on the best interests of their stockholders which they are lawfully obligated to protect, winning the competition doesn't guarantee your awarded contract. You are obligated to give up the rights to allow the least expensive vendor to build the gun. (Think Armalite Rifle design and Colt manufacture)
If you don't own the gun and you don't have the facts...all is speculatation, which is worthless to me, but we shall see in the end...
I value the opinions of those who own the gun and those you KNOW THE FACTS...TOO MANY ARMCHAIR EXPERTS spread false or made up stories...self fulfilling prophecies...based on bias and no personal experience...
Oh, and BTW - Ruger sold 20000 RAP pistols prior to their announcement in January and have since shipped almost that many more....*****(deleted by request) pistols in two months time...a real failure....I'll bet CZ, SIG and Springfield wish they could FAIL like that :roll: :lol: :mrgreen:
Did you here that from someone who knows what they are talking about or just passing on What you heard? The RAP exceeded all the requirements of the new Modular Pistol Program and you can do a little research and verify that if you are interested. The reason Ruger will probably decide to not enter the RAP into the trials is a simple decision based on the best interests of their stockholders which they are lawfully obligated to protect, winning the competition doesn't guarantee your awarded contract. You are obligated to give up the rights to allow the least expensive vendor to build the gun. (Think Armalite Rifle design and Colt manufacture)
If you don't own the gun and you don't have the facts...all is speculatation, which is worthless to me, but we shall see in the end...
I value the opinions of those who own the gun and those you KNOW THE FACTS...TOO MANY ARMCHAIR EXPERTS spread false or made up stories...self fulfilling prophecies...based on bias and no personal experience...
Oh, and BTW - Ruger sold 20000 RAP pistols prior to their announcement in January and have since shipped almost that many more....*****(deleted by request) pistols in two months time...a real failure....I'll bet CZ, SIG and Springfield wish they could FAIL like that :roll: :lol: :mrgreen:
Actually, I Was not responding to your post...but you suggest hysteria, what is hysterical in my post, I would like to know? Don't want to offend....
I was just referencing in general terms what opinions and knowledge I value, nothing more, nothing less..
Going tomorrow to put another 250 rounds thru my RAP 9mm, flawless so far...in case you are interesting in hearing feedback from someone who owns one...
I was just referencing in general terms what opinions and knowledge I value, nothing more, nothing less..
Going tomorrow to put another 250 rounds thru my RAP 9mm, flawless so far...in case you are interesting in hearing feedback from someone who owns one...
mohavesam said:
I completely understand (you think you have a small business community, have you ever been to Newport :D)and I agree that NH knows some things as well as AZ knows....(I only know what I know by knowing those who know, too!)
I am sure we could compare notes...and just responded to your PM, thanks for sending it.
Sometimes the facts get skewed as they make their way across the country...believe me, I have heard some interesting things, as I am sure you have, too
Not at all. One reason I prefer this forum is that not only collectors & enthusiasts class-up the place, I know we have employees, retirees, suppliers and execs here. Every now and then I hear about shirt & tie employees perusing the forums during working hours, too! - one reason I abhor trolls and non-family-friendly threads!
https://www.sofmag.com/ruger-ceo-mike-fifer-on-the-ruger-american-pistol/
...... the development team initially dug into the U.S. Military’s Joint Combat Pistol Specification, and then the subsequent Modular Handgun System (MHS) program, with the goal of producing a pistol that would meet or exceed the military’s requirements.
...... Ruger says users will need to exert about 6 lbs. of trigger pressure for a clean, crisp break. The trigger completes its reward journey by coming to rest against a small over-travel stop molded into the trigger guard. The pistol evaluated for this review exhibited a 5-lb., 14-oz. trigger pull which was in line with its specifications.
...... Thanks to the light take-up and clean break, the trigger was smooth and comfortable to work. The click of the short trigger reset was certainly present but not quite as distinctive as with some other designs. This subtlety of the trigger reset was not a deal breaker, even though it took a while to get a feel for it.
...... how often can high pressure ammunition be fired before causing significant levels of wear and tear? ...... one of the company’s primary goals in adhering to military standards while developing the American Pistol was to ensure that every component would successfully survive 20,000 rounds of firing without the need for replacement or repair. Not only did the Ruger American Pistol meet this standard it flew right past it with over 25,000-rounds of 9×19 mm NATO ammunition fired (the military round operates at near +P pressure levels).
Bench rested five-shot groups demonstrated solid defensive accuracy with group sizes averaging right around 3” at 25 yds.
...... the development team initially dug into the U.S. Military’s Joint Combat Pistol Specification, and then the subsequent Modular Handgun System (MHS) program, with the goal of producing a pistol that would meet or exceed the military’s requirements.
...... Ruger says users will need to exert about 6 lbs. of trigger pressure for a clean, crisp break. The trigger completes its reward journey by coming to rest against a small over-travel stop molded into the trigger guard. The pistol evaluated for this review exhibited a 5-lb., 14-oz. trigger pull which was in line with its specifications.
...... Thanks to the light take-up and clean break, the trigger was smooth and comfortable to work. The click of the short trigger reset was certainly present but not quite as distinctive as with some other designs. This subtlety of the trigger reset was not a deal breaker, even though it took a while to get a feel for it.
...... how often can high pressure ammunition be fired before causing significant levels of wear and tear? ...... one of the company’s primary goals in adhering to military standards while developing the American Pistol was to ensure that every component would successfully survive 20,000 rounds of firing without the need for replacement or repair. Not only did the Ruger American Pistol meet this standard it flew right past it with over 25,000-rounds of 9×19 mm NATO ammunition fired (the military round operates at near +P pressure levels).
Bench rested five-shot groups demonstrated solid defensive accuracy with group sizes averaging right around 3” at 25 yds.
Thanks for posting the above Hittman...
Thanks...lots of good info on the internet if you know where to look and have access to certain sites....
mohavesam said:
And sometimes they are perusing at night and send private emails requesting you delete some information :oops: :oops: :oops:
DA_TriggR4Ruger
Hunter
ditto1958 said:
Nh Rugerman said:
This is what I've read as well. This may be the first "GOOD" semi-auto pistol Ruger has made in a long time. I just snagged a NEW Sig P250 today on a whim for a little over $300. I'll try to get a RAP comparison and range report soon.
DA_TriggR4Ruger
Hunter
hittman said:
My cz 75 stainless slide stop broke at 30k rounds. I read carbon steel ones (black poly-cote) ones hold up better.
Not a big deal. CZ custom sent me a replacement for free.
Love my CZs, Sigs and Berettas. I'll have time to test a new RAP soon. I'm sure it'll hold up! A lot of great guns coming out this year!
19ontheslide
Bearcat
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Yeah, I haven't seen anyone post a link that verifies mohavesam's earlier claim that the RAP failed to produce adequate accuracy, either. Or are we only interested in verifying information that we don't agree with?
I hope we can agree all information is not posted somewhere on the interweb?
Sometimes ya just have to get out and talk with people. Over a cold one. or two.
- the OP was quite possibly CDNN buying a specific run or even a "pre-revision" or cleanup lot. There are myriad reasons available. BUt as Davidsons shos none available and CDNN shows (12) today, well
Sometimes ya just have to get out and talk with people. Over a cold one. or two.
- the OP was quite possibly CDNN buying a specific run or even a "pre-revision" or cleanup lot. There are myriad reasons available. BUt as Davidsons shos none available and CDNN shows (12) today, well
DA_TriggR4Ruger
Hunter
Reminds me of the non-serialized 1911 thread. lol
As Mohavesam states correctly above, not all that is known is publicly available....some members of the forum are privy to information that is not public...yet..
Fairness is always important as is respect of privacy, protection of sources...and difference of opinion...which is mostly what we share on this forum...(in my opinion)
YMMV.
Fairness is always important as is respect of privacy, protection of sources...and difference of opinion...which is mostly what we share on this forum...(in my opinion)
YMMV.
FergusonTO35
Hunter
The current American Rifleman has a feature on it with accuracy testing. AR is excessively complimentary but I enjoy reading it anyway. I found it very funny how they had a huge spread on the LCP when it first came out, then some time later they had a basic Dope Bag article on the Kel-Tec P3AT, although the latter predates the former.
22/45 Fan
Hunter
Kel-Tec's had very checkered appraisals in their early days and weren't taken seriously for quite a while. I have a P3AT and it's been fine but I always considered it a bit lucky. Ruger basically made the design credible.FergusonTO35 said:
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