both are a premium these days , I believe if real early they came in a 'brown' cardboard box?? and if todays 10/22s are in the $300-400 range I can only imagine what the early , early ones are worth ezpecailly if they are in a "package" ( box,papers ,etc)you need to do your homework look on line, see if ANY "finished"( ended ) auctions show either of your guns I sold both a year or so ago ,NO Boxes but nice guns and I got in the $600-650 range I 'd bet they are more today,,,,,,,,, saw a 3 digit 44 carbine two shows back and it was $850-90 wish it was in nicer shape,,,,so they are out there, we sold all our low number 10/22s many years ago and cheap and they KNOW who they are and what they got.............:cool::rolleyes:;)