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I underestand many folks work for 'the man' and have set hours they work... well not as many as used to before covid but stilll.... why can't the employer just change the hours? it does not seem that hard to me... you were showing up to work 9-5... well show up either an hour before or later... (I can't figure out which for which season but still it can't be that hard)... heck Elon can land a rocket on a barge just like Flash Gordon used to do... we can do anything if motivate enough.

Oh and GunnyGene I know what you are saying but the times I've been to down near the equator was in the Winter and believe me it was Summer (HOT) and I'm pretty sure it is 'Summer' all year round at the Equator and Winter at both poles... it's us in the middle that get the change.
 
I remember the Nixon DST order. We went to school at 0800 in the dark, as in pitch black dark, at at least we had street lights. I live in a rural community and no matter what I was driven to school in the winter, but I had friends who lived in the county and boarded buses at or before 0700 and they said that waiting on the bus meant doing so in very dark areas with no light for safety. As I remember bus stops got moved and parents opened their homes so the kids could wait for the school bus in safe, warm, lite places.

So, if we are doing to stay on one time year around we either need to stay on standard time (aka the time we are on during the winter) or at the point we stop switching only fall back or spring forward 30 minutes. This would average out the sunrise/sunset thing a bit.
 
blume357 said:
you were showing up to work 9-5
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Not every shift/schedule is 9-5......a lot of things are synchronized and very symbiotic to work smoothly between "cogs". If you have been self employed only you would not understand that. There's too much that would have to change aside from just "changing the hours".
 
blume357 said:
I underestand many folks work for 'the man' and have set hours they work... well not as many as used to before covid but stilll.... why can't the employer just change the hours? it does not seem that hard to me... you were showing up to work 9-5... well show up either an hour before or later... (I can't figure out which for which season but still it can't be that hard)... heck Elon can land a rocket on a barge just like Flash Gordon used to do... we can do anything if motivate enough.

Oh and GunnyGene I know what you are saying but the times I've been to down near the equator was in the Winter and believe me it was Summer (HOT) and I'm pretty sure it is 'Summer' all year round at the Equator and Winter at both poles... it's us in the middle that get the change.
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Correct. Having been very close to both the Equator and inside the Arctic circle, it's quite obvious. As you moved away from the equator (either north or south) it would gradually change to Spring, followed by Fall and then Winter, permanently. So people would choose the latitude they would be most comfortable at. As for migratory animals, birds, whales, etc, well, tough cookies.

Of course, the result of aligning the Earths tilt to be perpendicular to the plane of our orbit would have a dramatic, and likely catastrophic effect on global climate/weather and life on this rock. I vote we keep our current approx 23.44* tilt. :) That said, we may not get a vote due to some big rock slamming into the planet at some future time.
 
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post 25 is my point.


btw, i mentioned this before that back in 70, one of the reasons was sorta like what mobuck said.
it was dark in the mornings longer. and in new england, kids were getting hit more often at bus stops by half asleep drivers driving blind in the dark.
it helped pass the law.

was a time you got up when the rooster crowed. people dont have as many roosters anymore. and you quit work when you couldnt see what you were doing.
 
txramfan said:
Is Arizona on permanent Daylight Savings Time ?

Just wondering if they gained or lost an hour .
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Arizona has been on Standard Time year round.

vito said:
It won't happen. Every Democrat in Congress will oppose the proposed law merely because Trump asked for it. Enough Republicans will think that they can win the support of Leftists by agreeing with the Democrats (a stupid assumption) and the bill will fail to pass. Maybe in a few years under President Rubio.
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Not quite every Democrat, but the sentiment is certainly correct.

Colorado passed a law several years ago to stay on DST year round. Unfortunately, Colorado was flipped blue by a huge influx of Commifornians 20 or so years ago. So these reps would have to support Trump's bill or lose a lot of support from their own base.

Currently, states are allowed to ignore the time change stuff, but ONLY if they want to stay on Standard time. Congress has said that states cannot stay on DST year round unless the majority of surrounding states decide to do the same. Typical congressional stupidity 🙄. So - Colorado is still flipping clocks like most of the country.
 
375hh1973 said:
But if they put an end to the time change, what else will people have to bítch about 2x a year???
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It could be worse.

I had purchased an alarm clock that adjusted itself for the time change. About a year later, President Bush signed a bill changing what days the time changes occurred. That made me have to change the clock 4x a year instead of just twice. That sucked.
 
"Mobuck, my point is why not just change your work schedule by one hour instead of re-setting the clock?"
As others mentioned, I had a schedule to be somewhere for 8.5 hours and they told me WHICH 8.5 hours.
Lately, I get up when I feel the urge and go to sleep when I want. DST is just numbers on a clock now.
 
Terry Morgan said:
Exactly! Thanks for adding your comment. I've heard some great discussions of what 'time' is/isn't.
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Interesting take on time. Also interesting is that what we measure with clocks or various other means is only measuring the past. We cannot measure what hasn't happened yet, right down to the subatomic level, because it's tied to Probability. You can say such and such will probably occur in 1 nanosecond or in 1 hour, etc., but you can never be 100% certain of it. You can say I'm 99.999999999999............% certain but it's still only a probability.
 
Just split the difference and call it good. :LOL:
Soon it's going to be

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protoolman said:
I don't really care what they do but I wish they'd make it permanent. If daylight is off in your part of the.timezone just go to different summer or winter hours. Same with School kids. It's not like everyone in the world works at 8 am mon through Friday like the old days!
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I worked second and third shift
DST never mattered
We never switched.
 
I suppose it's totally sill to think we should just do away with the whole mess. While we are at it, we could do away with time zones (we only have them thanks to the railroads) and put the entire country on GMT.
 
peachhead said:
I like longer daylight. Doesn't much matter to me what time the sun comes up.
Seems to me whatever happens we will get used to it.
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Each day has 'x' number of hours of sunlight and 'x' number of hours of darkness. It really doesn't matter what the clock says, you have the same amount of daylight
 
Daylight saving time evolved from a satirical suggestion by Franklin to a practical wartime measure, and eventually to a legally standardized practice in many countries. Its history reflects the interplay between human activity, industrialization, and the desire to make the most of natural daylight while conserving resources.

Daylight saving time originated as a way to align human activity with daylight hours, conserve energy, and improve efficiency, with roots tracing back to Benjamin Franklin in 1784 and formal adoption during World War I.​

Early Ideas and Proposals​

The concept of adjusting daily schedules to make better use of daylight was first suggested by Benjamin Franklin in 1784. While living in Paris, Franklin humorously proposed that people could save on candles by waking earlier and using natural light, planting the seed for the idea of shifting human routines to match daylight hours. The first serious campaign for daylight adjustment came in 1907 from Englishman William Willett, who proposed advancing clocks by 80 minutes in four increments during April and reversing them in September. Although his proposal was rejected by the British Parliament in 1909, it influenced later adoption .

Adoption During Wartime​

Daylight saving time was first implemented in Imperial Germany during World War I to conserve fuel and improve productivity. Other countries, including the United States, Great Britain, and Australia, soon followed. In the U.S., DST was first enacted in 1918 under the Standard Time Act, which also established official time zones. After World War I, DST was repealed but reintroduced during World War II as “War Time” from February 1942 to September 1945 to save energy and support wartime production

Post-War Standardization​

After WWII, DST practices varied widely across states and localities, leading to confusion. The Uniform Time Act of 1966 standardized the start and end dates for DST in the United States, initially beginning on the last Sunday in April and ending at the end of October. Subsequent adjustments, including the Energy Policy Act of 2005, extended DST to start on the second Sunday in March and end on the first Sunday in November .
 
While I think I would prefer DST, in the big picture, it really doesn't matter much for me. Since I'm retired and don't have to check in to work at a specific time, I could adjust to either. The important thing is they keep it the same throughout the year.
 
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ho...orm-trump-signals-support-ending-clock-change

Lawmakers voted 308-117 to pass the Sunshine Protection Act, which would allow states to voluntarily observe daylight saving time year-round as a growing mass of lawmakers push to extend daylight into the evening hours.

"For decades, we have accepted this ritual of springing forward and falling back, even though it disrupts routines, throws off our sleep and creates unnecessary frustration for families across the country," Rep. Kat Cammack, R-Fla., said Tuesday, detailing how the clock changes have disrupted her infant son's sleep schedule.
 
We don't have daylight savings time here.
It wouldn't matter if we did.
My day starts when the sun comes up.
I am on the job when the sun comes up , no matter what time of year it is .
 
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