I have a couple of Rob's Cattleman, both in cross draw. One for my 7.5" 475 Linebaugh built on a NM Bisley Blackhawk, and the other for a 5.5" 44 Mag Bisquero. Also have several of his pancake's and they ride a bit higher than the Cattleman in strong side or cross draw. I like the pancake for 4 5/8 barrel lengths and shorter. Cary both my Smith 4" N Frames in pancakes as well… Rob makes nice shuck's… they are VERY durable and purdy to boot.