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 Post subject: vaquero accuracy
PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 8:24 am 
Bearcat

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i bought a ruger new vaquero about a year ago, ss 5.5barrel 45colt, absolutely beautiful, the only problem is it doesnt patter worth a hoot.
ive tried win, rem cowboy loads, hand loads, the best were gold dot hollowpts, but at worst its like a foot wide at 7yds, at best 9 in maybe.

anyone ever have accuracy probs with their vaquero? any suggestions?

ive never reloaded, just got the gear to do it, my friend loaded the handloads, so i have no data to give some were hot some were not,

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 8:50 am 
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First thing I would do is measure the chamber throats. You can get close by seeing what diameter bullet will pass thru them. Chances are they're tight and will need reaming.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 9:43 am 
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+1

getting them line bored seems to be a good fix if they are under spec.

that of course is after eliminating other problems such as lock time if they exsist.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 9:56 am 
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12" is pretty bad at 7 yards. With my '93 Vaquero I get about 6" at 25 yards... and I think most of that is me.... I had to ream my cylinder throats to .452 to get it you shoot this well. Note that the throats were very tight on mine. On the other hand, my newer .45 BH, the throats were very close to .452, but I reamed them anyway. If you can get your hands on a .452 lead bullet, you should be able to press it through each throat (from the front) with just finger pressure. If you can't the throats need reamed.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 10:08 am 
Blackhawk

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I hate to be the one to mention it, but that just doesn't sound like a gun problem, especially since the groups do not improve significantly with jacketed bullets.

You can get poor grouping with tight cylinder leades with cast bullets, but it would be very unusual to have accuracy that poor with jacketed bullets at 7 yards. I would suggest having someone you know that shoots Single Actions very well try the gun out with a load that is known to shoot well in their guns before going to extreme measures of reaming/lineboring/etc.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 10:17 am 
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I would suggest having someone you know that shoots Single Actions very will try the gun out with a load that is known to shoot well in their guns before going to extreme measures of reaming/lineboring/etc.
+1 . I should have mentioned that too :oops: . Seems there was someone else on this forum that thought his gun was shooting bad, and had another shooter try it and it shot very well. Wasn't the gun.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 1:46 pm 
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This is a 25-yard target with my .45 New Vaquero using factory Cowboy ammo, shot last Summer shortly after I bought it, for comparison.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 6:25 pm 
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To the OP: Are you in the New England area?


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 7:51 pm 
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Without knowing your skill level it seems that 12 inch groups at 7 yards should be shooter error. I can't offhand think of anything other than a butchered muzzle that could cause such a large group. Maybe you were having a bad day...some days I can't miss, some days I "can't hit a bull in the butt with a bass fiddle" as they say.

Let someone else try your gun or try to load ball and dummy for a few cylinders until you get the hang of it.

Just a thought.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 8:18 pm 
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If I mind my P's and Q's and watch what I'm doing, I can keep 5 shots inside a 6-inch circle at 50 yards with any of my Vaqueros (2 are 5.5 Bisleys, and one is a 4.65 BH, all in .45 Colt).

I've polished the chamber throats on all of them, but line-boring was a little out of the budget.

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 Post subject: Re: vaquero accuracy
PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 10:23 am 
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clate wrote:
i bought a ruger new vaquero about a year ago, ss 5.5barrel 45colt, absolutely beautiful, the only problem is it doesnt patter worth a hoot.
ive tried win, rem cowboy loads, hand loads, the best were gold dot hollowpts, but at worst its like a foot wide at 7yds, at best 9 in maybe.
anyone ever have accuracy probs with their vaquero? any suggestions?


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 11:32 am 
Hunter

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clate, your vaquero should be doing much better than a foot at 7yds. No one's giving you a hard time over 'operator error' but that is the first thing to eliminate. Most Ruger S/A guns in 45c need the clinder throats checked as Ruger if famous for tight throats, but only need to ream them if you are expecting to shoot mainly lead bullets. Try again with another experienced S/A shooter to see if there is any difference. Use sandbags at 10 yrds too. Let us know what you find out.
And welcome to the forum, don't be a stranger.


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 Post subject: VAQUERO WOES
PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 8:17 pm 
Blackhawk

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VAQUERO sights aren't the best in the world...and then the factory trigger leaves a lot to be desired. While I've gotten some halfway decent factory triggers, the last .44 VAQUERO I bought is terrible...the fact that Jim Stroh (ALPHA PRECISION) did action jobs on my other guns makes it feel even worse. I paint the front sight and "the hog wallow" rear sight with a black industrial marker; it helps a lot.

The advice on the throats is good. The 45s were notorious for oversized in the 80s and RUGER over compensated when they finally corrected the problem. Check your throat diameters with bullets of various diameters or pin gauges if you have access to them.

One last option. Try and find some smooth after market grips for your gun. There have been some unkind things posted about the factory checkered plastic grips on the NEW VAQUERO. I'd recommend EAGLE GRIPS Gunfighter model...I prefer un-checkered water buffalo horn. The guy who designed them is a genius...there are some subtle contouring and other aids to shooting.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 10:39 pm 
Bearcat

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Location: peoria, Illinois
thanks for all the options, and suggestions, will take all into consideration.
dont know when ill get back to the range but will definitely take good notes and measurments on all ammo and targets.

clate


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 2:48 am 
Blackhawk

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Location: Tucson, AZ, USA
My NewVaq357 has the most extreme set of sight upgrades imaginable :). Last informal plinking session I was able to knock beer cans around at 20-25yds pretty regularly, shooting fast and standing (Weaver).


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