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Mods, as always, if I have posted in the wrong place please move. I use laser sights whenever I feel they are appropriate ( I think they negate the purpose of pocket pistols and similar, why bother on a scatter, etc.), and seem to catch a lot of crap for it. "It's almost like cheating." and "Where's the skill in that?" sort of thing. I am not a collector. I am not a competitive shooter. I am definitely not a "sport" hunter ( I have hunted for food in emergency situations, not for fun.). My entire purpose for firearms is self defense. If I have sighted the laser in, then I don't have to worry so much about taking aim. Just put the dot where I want it. A time saver. Important in self defense. I mostly use them on small calibers where hit location is most important. Why is this a problem for so many?
 
I have no issue with them, That said, I can see a few things that are a negative to me.

You are relying on electronics to work.

Like tracers, they work both ways.

You may practice less counting on the laser to cover your lack of trigger, and sight, time.
 
I think a laser would be fun. The only problem I have is shooting outside a laser can be hard to see.

If someone gives you a hard time, just ignore them. Not sure how it's their business.

If a laser quits working, you still have the iron sights. Unlike if a a red dot quits working, which may obscure the sights.
 
This is not an answer to lasers exactly but technology. I shot a Steel Challenge match yesterday and was the only one in my squad using iron sights on my pistol. Main statement I heard from others was they couldn't shoot iron sights very fast. And sadly the majority really couldn't shoot dots very fast either. I'm 67 years old I do this for fun. But I think it's bad when I out shoot 2/3 of the shooters (speed and accuracy. With a dot they don't really seam to actually aim) and I'm probably twice the age of most of them. But what I'm getting to is people are getting more and more dependent on technology than on working on the basics and practice and work. Technology has it's place but when it goes down a lot of people are screwed. As far as lasers I've tried them to me they're distracting. But I have always thought about putting one on a short barreled shotgun that way you could shoot without shouldering the gun and be pretty sure where the spread was going.
 
@Joe Chartreuse I'm with you, mostly a combat style shooter. Although I like guns from all eras. I have several crimson trace lasers on small carry revolvers. Love them.

The nice thing about Crimson trace is the quality of the grips even without the lasers. They are just good grips.

I don't have any experience with any other lasers. Some add on ones seem bulky. Which may account for some of the negativity.
 
I'm fine with folks doing whatever they like. What I dislike about lasers is when people bring them to the indoor range and flash them all over the place while I'm trying to concentrate. It really shows the lack of muzzle discipline some shooters have.
 
I've never been in a combat situation and certainly don't give advice other than "use whatever you are comfortable with". I feel comfortable with a shotgun... no sights because there will never be time to use them (IMHO). I've been told that (usually), no one hangs around after the first shotgun blast in a hallway.. :)
But again, I have no experience in that realm.
J.
 
Joe,, ignore those who may disparage your use of a laser.

A lot of people who may not have any real experience with an honest, serious life threatening event, spout stuff of which they know very little & only what they hear from any "expert" they admire.

I see a LOT of shooters in USPSA. And like Ben said above,, Steel Challenge matches are the same. A LOT of shooters use a red dot. And many of those same shooters are poor iron sight shooters. I witnessed a discussion at the Area 6 USPSA match this past August between a few shooters in my RO squad. All 3 were dot shooters. Listening to them and how they do & such,, I quietly felt bad for them. They had no real clue about open sights & longer range shooting. They opened a can of worms, when they asked me why I shot a revolver. I calmly said; "I'm a real man, I shoot a revolver & open sights!"
I got the clueless stare.
When I started relating how I hunt with a handgun, and make shots with open sights out to 100 yds,, I saw them react with disbelief. They thought I was lying. When I showed them pictures of deer taken with my Maxi, or the elk with my Contender & a groundhog with a .45 Colt, or the deer with the Colt,, they didn't know what to say.

But that's not the discussion here. Well, maybe a small part of it.

Lasers have their place & can be good or bad. Just like any other item. You just have to figure out YOUR needs & forget what others may think.
Many may feel that a laser will give a bad guy a target to shoot back at. Possibly true,, but only if the aggressor is armed with a handgun. You can say the exact same thing about a flashlight on a handgun.

They are electronic. And we all know electronics can fail. Same goes for red dots, flashlights, etc.

One thing a red dot can't do,, is allow you to put your muzzle in the precise direction of a target WITHOUT it being aligned with your eyes. Think; Waist level, arm forward, around the edge of cover! You see the laser dot, on the target, and if under a life threat, you have cover & they may not have it.
Now throw in real life events.
You are under attack. You are on the ground fighting an assailant, your dominant hand is injured or unusable for whatever reason. Your off hand has your gun, at an odd angle or position. But you can see the laser dot on your attacker. You now have the advantage.

I'll be the first person to say that nothing is better than regular, serious practice with just the bare bones basics of open sights, off hand, and from various positions. That you can trust.
But if you have the ability to add stuff to your firearm for self defense and it works,, it can be the item that allows you to be quicker & better than your attacker.

I have a few lasers, flashlights, red dots, scopes, and find uses for all of them.

Ignore the nay-sayers.
 
Like a rail light, laser or dot sight, all have good and bad points.

If anyone were foolish enough to enter my house with a rail light or laser, I will be sure to thank his widow.
 
My wife was the first one here to use a laser. Remember those early ones that attached to the trigger guard? She saw one and wanted it. So I attached one.

The local police range was still open to the public and we went there weekly. The range staff nicknamed her "Ramboina". But with her Taurus snubby she proved quite accurate.

Flash forward and when she appropriated my first Glock 42 a laser was immediately added.

I won't debate the tactical advantages / disadvantages. She likes it and uses it well. That's enough for me.
 
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I have a red laser on my LCP II and no other gun. It is easy to engage, better then the sights on such a short pistol, and easily seen at 75 feet (the longest distance I have tried it at). I seriously doubt that, if needed (hopefully never), I would be shooting a LCP II anywhere near that distance. I installed one on my P-95 and after a little time removed it. The sights on that gun "jump up' and align much better then the laser.
 
I like them, but don't rely on them. Green lasers work better outside in daylight, BTW.

I find they are a useful tool for dryfire practice. They give you real time analysis of your trigger pull and position of the barrel when the trigger breaks. It's especially useful that way when you are trying to instruct someone that has trouble hitting targets with a handgun. It's easy to spot when they are thumbing, for example.
 
".....But I have always thought about putting one on a short barreled shotgun that way you could shoot without shouldering the gun and be pretty sure where the spread was going."
Just for fun I tried this on a Shockwave. The answer is just about everywhere but the dot itself :ROFLMAO: Couple pellets maybe.,,,Then again, ATWs like the Shockwave were never built to be aimed anyway.....
 
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I have a laser on my carry pistol and practice with it often.... if for no other reason to make sure it is still sighted in right.... I do have to say is it is not very often I need to adjust one. with that said I do have one issue with lasers as well as red dots.... you are trusting your life ultimately to an electronic devise that is relying on a good connection to a battery and a long time ago I took a boating navigation class and the major rule was to NEVER solely trust your life to electronics.... the point being you can use them but you also better have the knowledge to figure out where you are if your fancy electronic thing fails... I feel the same way with a laser... you better know how to use the iron sights on the gun too.
 
Just make sure that whatever you ue you can respond accurately with it in a bad situation. Wife and I took a defensive shoot course. It was basically point and shoot (don't aim) It was like point at the doorknob. Now stop and sight down your finger. Everyone was within a few inches of the doorknob). The instructor said now when you leave practice picking up and just pointing your gun. The point being 2-3 inches off from center mass dosent matter as much as getting rounds in your target as soon as possible. That was with the XD9 and /or the SW 908s. Oh I have a romeo red dot on the max(. Go fogure.
 

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