the fatman
Single-Sixer
Does the new model blackhawk with the lock have what is considered the whimpy spring like the new vaquero. And if so how dreadful is this. Especially since locks seem to be the wave of the future.
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Driftwood Johnson
Blackhawk
Howdy
Who says the spring in a New Vaquero is wimpy? The stock spring will set off all brands of primers, that is what you want it to do. Many brands of guns have extra heavy springs in them because there is excess friction in the lockwork, and the springs have to overcome the extra friction in order to set off a primer.
The reason the spring in the New Vaquero is a bit lighter than the springs in the 'Original Model' Vaquero is because the gun was designed for the Cowboy Action Shooting game. Lighter hammer springs are obviously quicker to cock the hammer, and in action shooting, that can be important. The other not so obvious benefit of a lighter hammer spring is that it will result in a slightly lighter trigger pull. This is because the sear does not have to overcome quite as much friction from the hammer cocking notch as it clears the notch. But the stock spring in a New Vaquero is plenty strong enough to set off all brands of primers, which is what you want it to do.
Who says the spring in a New Vaquero is wimpy? The stock spring will set off all brands of primers, that is what you want it to do. Many brands of guns have extra heavy springs in them because there is excess friction in the lockwork, and the springs have to overcome the extra friction in order to set off a primer.
The reason the spring in the New Vaquero is a bit lighter than the springs in the 'Original Model' Vaquero is because the gun was designed for the Cowboy Action Shooting game. Lighter hammer springs are obviously quicker to cock the hammer, and in action shooting, that can be important. The other not so obvious benefit of a lighter hammer spring is that it will result in a slightly lighter trigger pull. This is because the sear does not have to overcome quite as much friction from the hammer cocking notch as it clears the notch. But the stock spring in a New Vaquero is plenty strong enough to set off all brands of primers, which is what you want it to do.
the fatman
Single-Sixer
In another thread flatgate and ross seyfried don't much care for lighter springs. I fiqure if it upsets flatgate and ross seyfried then maybe I should be alarmed too.
J Miller
Blackhawk
the fatman,
As far as I know, all the Ruger single actions with the lock have the same shorter, lighter main spring.
The problem with the lighter springs is not totally primer ignition, although that is part of it, it's that they slow the hammer fall down therefore increasing lock time. This "can" effect accuracy.
Driftwood Johnson is correct about the New Vaquero being intended for the cas shooters. In that sport accuracy is not of major concern. Speed of shooting is.
flatgate and others have also said they routinely replace the stock springs in their Blackhawks with the stronger Old Army main spring to decrease the lock time and guarantee primer ignition.
Joe
As far as I know, all the Ruger single actions with the lock have the same shorter, lighter main spring.
The problem with the lighter springs is not totally primer ignition, although that is part of it, it's that they slow the hammer fall down therefore increasing lock time. This "can" effect accuracy.
Driftwood Johnson is correct about the New Vaquero being intended for the cas shooters. In that sport accuracy is not of major concern. Speed of shooting is.
flatgate and others have also said they routinely replace the stock springs in their Blackhawks with the stronger Old Army main spring to decrease the lock time and guarantee primer ignition.
Joe
Driftwood Johnson
Blackhawk
Yeah, and I don't understand what is the matter with the stock springs. They set off the primers, what else is required?
Ooops, looks like the answer was given while I was typing. Quicker locktime, that I can understand. But the stock springs will set off all primers.
Ooops, looks like the answer was given while I was typing. Quicker locktime, that I can understand. But the stock springs will set off all primers.
the fatman
Single-Sixer
So I getting the impression that a plinker like me would never know the difference and never probably have a problem making it fire.
J Miller
Blackhawk
I have a set of Wolff springs in my Uberti Cattleman. Not because of how light I want it to be, but because the mainspring was somewhat stiffer than the gunsmith altered original spring. The gunsmith made the spring so light I did have trouble with CCI primers. That being quite unacceptable I tried the Wolff springs. They work. And there is an added benefit that if one should break, I know the next one will be the same or very similar. As light as the action is in my Cattleman it will shoot remarkably good groups if I do my part.
Back to the wimpy springs in the Rugers. You are correct, for a plinker or a casual shooter you'll never know the difference.
Were I to acquire a New Vaquero or any of the new lock equipped Rugers, I may or may not put in a stronger spring. But, I would never go to a lighter spring.
Joe
Back to the wimpy springs in the Rugers. You are correct, for a plinker or a casual shooter you'll never know the difference.
Were I to acquire a New Vaquero or any of the new lock equipped Rugers, I may or may not put in a stronger spring. But, I would never go to a lighter spring.
Joe
Yosemite Sam
Hunter
Yes.the fatman":1a27hw3p said:
Not. It's just that I'd like the option. The new spring is 17lbs and no one makes different weight springs for it yet. The non-lock springs come in weights from 17-23lbs, maybe more. Maybe the aftermarket will catch up some day.the fatman":1a27hw3p said:
I also have a Redhawk with a lightened mainspring. I was recently shooting .44 Specials out of it and got a round that the RH wouldn't fire. I tried a couple of times. It fired fine out of my 17lb sprung BH.
That's one reason I buy mostly older guns.the fatman":1a27hw3p said:
-- Sam
I think Ruger fell below the mark with the light spring they put into the new lock equiped guns. It most definitely was done to give the illusion of a smoothed and tuned action. The cost was lock time. I for one would have liked to see a stronger hammer spring in these guns. The lock work in the latest lock equipedgun I bought recently seems faster than most I have handled, it is a 44 Anniversary Flat Top.
edlmann
Blackhawk
the fatman
Single-Sixer
edlmann hey neighbor I think sam and friends want a stronger spring for a faster lock time. If I have learned correctly from my mentors a heavier spring brings the hammer down more quickly allowing not only more reliable primer ignition but less time for the barrel to drift off target. If I have this right maybe I'll get a star for this weeks lesson. 
Yosemite Sam
Hunter
A big :idea:GOLD:idea: star! :lol:the fatman":187t9262 said:edlmann hey neighbor I think sam and friends want a stronger spring for a faster lock time. If I have learned correctly from my mentors a heavier spring brings the hammer down more quickly allowing not only more reliable primer ignition but less time for the barrel to drift off target. If I have this right maybe I'll get a star for this weeks lesson.
-- Sam
the fatman
Single-Sixer
:shock: Yipee! Thanks Sam. My daughter in-law is a school teacher here in the seminole county and talks about giving out stickers and stars. My son is also a school counselor. Plus we watch their daughter while they work. So I watch sid the science kid, dinosaur train,sesame street,barney,word world,etc. so I feel like I'm going through my second childhood.
Yipee! Thanks Sam. My daughter in-law is a school teacher here in the seminole county and talks about giving out stickers and stars. My son is also a school counselor. Plus we watch their daughter while they work. So I watch sid the science kid, dinosaur train,sesame street,barney,word world,etc. so I feel like I'm going through my second childhood.WARD
Single-Sixer
When I first encountered the new Ruger lock, the first thought I had was to start looking for a replacement hammer spring to decrease locktime.
Can any of the Wolff replacements be shortened with any degree of certainty?
So.... is there a simple fix for this malady yet or do we need to sit around and wait for Wolff to become inspired?
Ward
Can any of the Wolff replacements be shortened with any degree of certainty?
So.... is there a simple fix for this malady yet or do we need to sit around and wait for Wolff to become inspired?
Ward
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