Vaquero 40 S&W New Old model

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tmgreene

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I bought a vaquero 40 on GB new unfired old model . I called Ruger today and had them run the serial # the lady said it was made in 2010 test fired 1/20/2010. I asked her about it as i thought they did not make the 40S&W anymore she said it had the old model # but was made as a special order.
She would not say how many were produced. They must of had some parts around , If anyone else has a "New Old Model " I would be interested to hear.
Thanks
TG





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Glupy

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Interesting.
Ruger never ceases to amaze me.

You are lucky to find it.

I have an older Vaquero in 38-40 / 40 S&W.
I thought that I would never see a new one.

Dave
 

contender

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Welcome to the Forum!
Sounds like a "clean-up" gun to me.
A nice one too!
 

CraigC

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Sounds like a cleanup batch. All Vaqueros are "New Model" single actions. There are/were no Old Model Vaqueros. There is the Vaquero and the New Vaquero, simple. No need to overcomplicate things with additional verbiage.
 

tmgreene

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I love it when people get cranky and smart mouth me over the computer . I best watch my "Verbiageeeeee" round here
 

Wyandot Jim

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tmgreene":1m4torne said:
I love it when people get cranky and smart mouth me over the computer . I best watch my "Verbiageeeeee" round here

Hey New Guy,
Welcome to the Forum. Nice find
Now calm down that is just our inside joke about the Vaquero verbiageeeeeeeee. :lol:
Hang around and learn a weeeeeeeee bit from us old cranky farts :wink:
Jim
 

sigp220.45

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That sounds like a great gun, Tom. I get free .40 at work so I wish this would become a regularly cataloged item. If you ever want to work a trade, let me know.
 

powder smoke

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Nice find I believe that is a Vaquero, rather than it's brother New Vaquero. Wecome aboard. ps
 

CraigC

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Wow, had no idea I 'was' cranky. I reckon some folks just don't like being corrected, even when they're wrong. :roll:
 

Axehandle

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+1 for more 40 bore Rugers! :D
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Terry T

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So I guess it's "Blackhawks" and "New Model Blackhawks" and NOBODY EVER calls the first model, 3 screw, Blackhawks "Old Model Blackhawks"?

My guess is that until there is a 3rd variation on the theme, "Old Model" and "New Model" will continue to be used among all but the most dedicated collectors.

They are useful terms, especially to the layman, even if they are not quite technically accurate. We deal with all levels of Ruger fans on this forum from one gun owners to VERY serious collectors. Enlightenment and correction should always offered in humbleness - we were all ignorant of the nuances and finer points of Rugers at one time.

Just my $0.02 worth on this continual correction on the Vaquero theme.

By the way, which distributor had this special run? - wish I'd heard of it sooner - really would have liked to have picked one up.
Is the 'warning' under the barrel or on the side? If it's under the barrel, than it's really a 'clean up' gun and could be quite rare.

Terry T
 

Jimbo357mag

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Terry T":2lp45kb5 said:
By the way, which distributor had this special run? - wish I'd heard of it sooner - really would have liked to have picked one up.
Is the 'warning' under the barrel or on the side? If it's under the barrel, than it's really a 'clean up' gun and could be quite rare.

Terry T

Davidsons has been doing "clean-up" guns for Ruger for some time. They did a whole lot of 44mag Vaqueros.
Now they got Bisley Vaqueros in 44mag and some Bisley Blackhawks in 357mag. :D :D

Bisley Vaquero in 44mag
https://www.galleryofguns.com/genie/Def ... =RBNV475-C

Bisley in 357 mag.
https://www.galleryofguns.com/genie/Def ... em=RB35W-C

...good hunting, Jimbo
 

CraigC

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Terry T":2z28zozv said:
So I guess it's "Blackhawks" and "New Model Blackhawks" and NOBODY EVER calls the first model, 3 screw, Blackhawks "Old Model Blackhawks"?
Really starting to feel like a broken record on this. "Old Model" is a factory designation for pre-1973 single actions utilizing the traditional half cock action. "New Model" is the factory designation for all single actions produced 1973-present. There is the Vaquero and the New Vaquero. Similar but two distinctive names for two different New Model single actions. There is no need for additional descriptors. No, it is not a useful term, especially for the less experienced. It is confusing and silly and no, it's not technically correct. We have already had several people asking why their "Old Model Vaquero" did not have a half cock notch.

My first post was not intended to chastise, it was not done in a "cranky" mood or tone. It was "just the facts, ma'am". The problem is that in our politically correct society folks wanna get offended at every opportunity. Including when they are corrected for using incorrect terminology. I'm here to talk about Rugers and help folks if I can. Not to spoonfeed the happy ignorant and/or the easily offended.

For the record, so that there is no confusion, now I'm getting a little cranky. :roll:
 

Jimbo357mag

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CraigC":2cng8r8m said:
...There is the Vaquero and the New Vaquero. Similar but two distinctive names for two different New Model single actions. There is no need for additional descriptors.

Well there is the problem that Ruger calls the New Model Vaqueros just Vaqueros in all their literature. The only way to tell really is the model number which begins with NV- But for conversation I agree with you, just the two names is all that is necessary, Vaquero and New Vaquero. :D

http://ruger.com/products/vaqueroBlued/index.html

...Jimbo
 

Terry T

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Let's see if I have this right.

First generation Blackhawks are not marked "Old Model Blackhawks" but it's OK to call them "Old Model Blackhawks" and first generation Vaqueros are not marked "Old Model Vaqueros" but it is NOT OK to call them "Old Model Vaqueros".

I DO understand that Ruger, themselves, started referring to the first generation Blackhawks as "Old Models" in order to do the court required safety repairs.

In other brands, folks refer to generations of variations. May I suggest that we Ruger folks begin referring to the various changes as generations?

Therefore we would have 1st and 2nd generation Blackhawks and 1st and 2nd generation Vaqueros. (There might be more "generations" if one wants to get into "Flattop" vis protected sight Blackhawks, etc.).

I think it would get us out of this sometimes confusing and overlapping terminology. We Ruger collectors do not have to use the mismash of terms that Ruger has used that is leading to the continual confusion of the layman. Collectors of other brands have set the terms that collectors use, not the brands (think Colt and S&W).

Terry T
 

Axehandle

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Did I tell you guys that IMHO each and every one of those Vaqueros can become a proper handgun by simply adding a proper rear sight? :shock:

Nobody is getting out alive! :D :lol: :lol: :lol:
 

CraigC

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Terry T":2qdlel8v said:
In other brands, folks refer to generations of variations.
That would make plenty of sense were it not for the present nomenclature of Old Model and New Model that is already so ingrained.

It would not be valid for the fixed sight guns. Because they are not two different "generations" of Vaqueros. They are Vaqueros and New Vaqueros. Note the capitalization. "Vaquero" and "New Vaquero" are two distinct names, confusing only to those who make it so. Not unlike New York, New Orleans, New Jersey, New Hampshire, etc. Do you think the folks who live in the European cities those US cities are named after started calling them "Old" to differentiate??? Uh, no. Just call them what they are, it's stamped right on the frame. Everybody's innate need to add descriptors to avoid confusion yields the opposite result.
 

Terry T

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Not that any of us will be here to care, but my guess is that 100 years from now they will refer to 1st and 2nd generation Ruger Vaqueros like they refer to 1st, 2nd, and 3rd generation Colt Dragoons.
Terry T
 

CraigC

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Actually, it was the 1st, 2nd and 3rd Model Dragoon. Which as far as I can tell is what Colt called them. Like I said, I would agree if Ruger hadn't changed the name. The Dragoon was the Dragoon all through its production. As is the Single Action Army. The Vaquero was produced unchanged from 1993-2004, then replaced with the New Vaquero. But who cares what they'll call them in 100yrs? Colt did not use the year designations that we use to distinguish his guns, nor did he call his early guns "Patersons".
 

Terry T

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While I won't disagree that we Ruger fanatics can keep the factory's terms straight, I keep running into the layman's confusion. I do believe the factory's terms don't flow naturally from the actual progression of models even if they do make some sense to we Ruger nuts. (Terry's alternate definition of insanity: ones logic (sense or reasoning) differs greatly from the society around him.)

It's not unlike the 1858 Remington - the Old Model is newer than the New Model. Very confusing to a 'layman'. (I guess it made sense to Remington at the time.) The model S&W model 58 41mag. came out before the model 57 .41mag. Can drive a sane man to drink, I tell you! (Caution: unload all firearms before drinking adult beverages :shock: ).

Terry T
 

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