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JimMarch1

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Woman killed in accidental shooting
September 27th, 2009 @ 9:55pm
By John Hollenhorst

SPRINGVILLE -- A young woman died in a very public, but apparently accidental shooting Sunday. Investigators say there is no reason to suspect foul play.

Police say 24-year-old Richard Case and his 19-year-old wife, Molly Ann Case, stopped at a 7-Eleven store at 206 N. Main Street around 11:45 a.m. for refreshments. They were taking a break from target shooting and camping in Hobble Creek Canyon.

Kimberley Steele stood behind the young bride in line. "They just looked like they were in there buying candy and snacks and going to go out and, you know, have fun. It didn't appear that they were fighting or anything," she said.

That's when police say things went horribly wrong.

"As they went back to the car, he opened the car door and a .22 caliber revolver fell out. And when it did, it hit the ground and discharged," said Lt. Dave Caron with the Springville Police Department. "Then he looked at her and realized that something was wrong. She kind of lifted her shirt and looked down, and then fainted."

Case was taken to the hospital, where she later died.

Steele says it was a frightening sight. "He was standing over her screaming that this was his wife, that his wife had been shot, and he was just hysterical," she said.

Gun safety expert Clark Aposhian is the chairman of the Utah Shooting Sports Council. He says it's rare for a dropped revolver to fire. "It's got to land just right on the hammer," he said.

Aposhian thinks it must have been an older gun. Modern single-action revolvers have a safety feature, a tiny bar that lifts up to cover the firing pin.

"It prevents the hammer from making contact with the firing pin unless the trigger is pressed," he said. "We have not heard of any anecdotal stories of the new models being dropped and going off, and that's since 1973."

He also recommends gun owners secure their weapons in cars, perhaps in the glove box or console.

"You just don't want it, you know, like a jug of milk. You don't want it rolling around," said Aposhian.

Caron says it's important to always put safety first. "We kind of become complacent, and this is one of those tragedies that shows we should never become complacent," he said.

If you have an older single-action revolver, you can get it retrofitted with a safety bar. In fact, Ruger will do it on their revolvers for free, including shipping.

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WARD

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I think the correct (and sad) statement should be "There are STILL idoits out there."

What is a fully loaded gun doing in the vehichle in such a haphazard manner as to fall out and accidently fire?

Ward
 

Three50seven

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these guys are right. Unless you change the title, be prepared to catch hell!

It is unfortunate, but in what manner must one keep a handgun for it to fall out of their car when they open the door? :shock:
 

B.Roberts

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What was a live round doing under the hammer? That was idiocy. Too bad that the guy has to love with this horrible accident on his conscience. I feel bad for him.
 

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Two things, one, live round under the hammer, not smart for the older gu. Two, not all single action revolvers made since 1973 have a transfer bar safety, such as Uberti revolvers and others that are SAA clones down to every detail. As someone who has un-modified OM revolvers, you might want to change the title, because I was ready for a good old fashioned argument until I read through the whole piece.
 

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Odds are this was an OM Ruger. Sorry, but it's true. And there's clues throughout that it's a Ruger they're talking about - a reference to the upgrade program, the "1973" thing...read between the lines a little bit.
 

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Five beans in the wheel, hammer over empty chamber!!!!!!!!!!!
Load 1, skip one, load 4 more..... Doesn't get much simpler than that. I do this with my 'home' gun.... even though revolver has the transfer bar. If a cartridge isn't under the firing pin, nothing is going to happen.... 5 beans period.

Oh, and if I ever get my hands on on OM, it will NOT get converted. Nope. Notta.
 

JimMarch1

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>>Oh, and if I ever get my hands on on OM, it will NOT get converted. Nope. Notta.<<

No problem, because YOU know that.

But, how many people come to these and other forums without knowing you can shoot 38Spl from a 357 fr'instance?
 

MAC702

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JimMarch1":iu0essdp said:
...But, how many people come to these and other forums without knowing you can shoot 38Spl from a 357 fr'instance?

Whoa! You can do WHAT?

I was thinking there were a lot of clues that pointed to Ruger as well. However, not only can you NOT fault Ruger, who has made every effort possible to upgrade existing firearms, BUT there are countless un-upgradable firearms of the same design, including those still manufactured this way.

While this situation is tragic, and it sounds as if the couple was not very familiar with firearms, it makes you wonder where they got the firearm and through whose hands it passed, possibly of people who DID know about the free safety upgrade.

I truly hope the ambulance chasers stay out of this one. There was negligence involved, sure. Not on the part of the manufacturer, though.
 

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A horrible tragedy that could've been avoided with a little education. A young man's wife is dead because of his negligence and it is a burden he will carry for the rest of his life. So unfortunate.
 

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The one thing that we try to re-enforce with our Hunter Safety classes, is that there are no accidents. Accidents usually mean they are unavoidable. This, while tragic, was negligence. I'm sure someone will suggest going after Ruger in this case because the older gun was of "faulty" design to some. When you buy a gun, whether you have neve seen one before or not, it is your responsibility to know how it works. You don't buy a new power tool without knowing how to use it, same with a gun.
 

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What I don't get is...why would anybody own something as potentially deadly as a freakin' GUN and not feel a need to know how it works.

Seriously?

Hell, there's people that get on motorcycles without knowing how they work so and that's actually riskier...
 

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Well, the tragedy aside, I really get annoyed when somebody or some organization decides it knows what's best for me and forces a change on me. I have old model Rugers, as well as a USFA revolver, and I understand how to safely load and carry them. It irritates me to no end that we have to make changes for the lowest common denominators among us in the offchance that no one is offended.
 

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Anyone with an OM Ruger or a pistol of similar design needs to understand the danger of keeping all 6 chambers loaded. Beyond that, one of the basic, universal safety practices is to unload any gun before transporting it. Apparently this guy was never taught basic gun safety. What a sad accident, and one that could easily have been prevented!
 

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Whenever I see what appears to be a "newbie posting" (and by that I often mean newbie to SAs) who indicates recent purchase of a non-safety gun, I mention the need to carry it hammer-down-on-empty and "load one, skip one, load four" and the brief history behind it.

I think once or maybe twice I've had some true moron claim that that's "overkill" or "why would they even sell something with six chambers then?" at which point lots of other people jump in.

We should do the same at the ranges - politely of course.
 

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Let's not bash on this poor soul.
I can't call him an idiot, or stupid. (and maybe she left it loaded, and not him - so let's say "they") Ignorant, yes. Stupid, no.
The guy is 24 and his wife was 19.
I'm 30, and I cut my SA teeth on a NM Ruger single six back before I thought girls were pretty. I grew up reading Loius L'amour books where the hero fired six shots and reloaded. I watched Clint Eastwood shoot single actions that sometimes carried more than six shots. I didn't have any idea how to properly handle a traditional single action until my mid twenties, and then I was first introduced to it by the works of John Taffin.

I had to teach my dad how to properly handle a traditonal single action. In his youth, it was rifles and shotguns only. Not stupidity, just ignorance.

I see how it could have happened. The blame here should lay with a society at large who tends to think other people are responsible for everything. I was in a wreck recently with an unlicensed 15 year old driver who piled out of his car and started blaming me for the wreck and yelling. He learned it from somewhere - and it for sure wasn't his dad, who showed up and took care of everything promptly and politely.

This couple "should" have known how to handle this tool, but they expected that someone else had already provided for them. I hope that wishful thinking is true on a higher level. This guy is going to need some help to get his life right again, and bashing him on the internet isn't going to help.
 
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