STEM is Now STEAM

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el caminero

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What are your thoughts on the changing of STEM (Science, Tech, Engineering, Math) programs to STEAM by adding Arts? I believe it is a continued dumbing down of our education system.
Ive been joking a out which A to add, since it came out.
Arts, Archytetcher, Astronomy, Archeology, Accounting, A.I., Athletics, et.c.
 
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[I looked at mechanical drafting a bit & thought,, "Heck no,, TOO much math.!"]
I had an engineering job 'locked in' (Mom's Cousin was an engineer working for a design firm in KC MO) and all I had to do was finish my Mechanical Engineering degree. After giving serious thought, I determined I couldn't bear to live in KC MO for the next 20-30 years and walked away from the opportunity. Fifty years later, I don't regret the choice. ;)
 

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I was a not the best student when in school. I just wanted to get out so I could go to work. When I was an apprentice they taught us a bit about drafting, mechanical drawing. They wanted us to be able to take a flat sheet of metal & fabricate pretty much anything. I found I learned better when my livelihood depended on it. Nowadays they don't teach as much layout as they did then. They enter the fittings into a computer & a plasma machine burns everything out of the metal. We are losing our craft. And so it goes.........
 
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I was a not the best student when in school. I just wanted to get out so I could go to work. When I was an apprentice they taught us a bit about drafting, mechanical drawing. They wanted us to be able to take a flat sheet of metal & fabricate pretty much anything. I found I learned better when my livelihood depended on it. Nowadays they don't teach as much layout as they did then. They enter the fittings into a computer & a plasma machine burns everything out of the metal. We are losing our craft. And so it goes.........
We had cutters when I started who laid out and cut fittings. Then we got CNC pen plotters that marked out the fittings before we got plasma tables. Ask an old timer about Red Heads. Thank God I missed having to punch start screws and run them in with a flat head screwdriver!!! I tell kids that if they don't know basic Geometry and Trigonometry they're too dumb for Construction. One of the reasons that I've been rejected for the JAC a few times is that I want to add things like an English Wheel to the shop as an elective. A "Journeyman" should be a master of the medium they are working with not just a Duct bender.
 
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They're putting rap music on the same level as chemistry or engineering. Of course it's ridiculous and a dumbing down of the curriculum.

It's also another example of creeping wokeness: The Left is always whining about how women and minorities are under-represented in STEM and it's just so unfair. Whereas, truth be told, they're likely over-represented in the "arts." So they're just going to drop a whole bunch of arts majors into the STEM basket like so many undocumented Haitians in Ohio, and pat themselves on the back for their inclusiveness.
 
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They're putting rap music on the same level as chemistry or engineering. Of course it's ridiculous and a dumbing down of the curriculum.

It's also another example of creeping wokeness: The Left is always whining about how women and minorities are under-represented in STEM and it's just so unfair. Whereas, truth be told, they're likely over-represented in the "arts." So they're just going to drop a whole bunch of arts majors into the STEM basket like so many undocumented Haitians in Ohio, and pat themselves on the back for their inclusiveness.
It's because they started pushing STEM curriculums to enhance achievement. That will never be tolerated so they need to take money away from the achievers.
 

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I didn't know anything about this so I did a search & this is what I found. I still find myself unsure of the practical application.

Practicality? Thats a rightwing leftbrain thing, and a furrin concept to tha leff.
Theyre all barney and sesame st about think-n-wish it better, and it will be so.
 

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It's because they started pushing STEM curriculums to enhance achievement. That will never be tolerated so they need to take money away from the achievers.

Worse: They're taking achievement away from the achievers, in the name of equity. Your engineering degree is now worth as much as Winterblossom's degree in Andean basketweaving or whatever.
 

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Arts are important. My oldest graduated second in her class and is an artist about to graduate college with several degrees, the major being computer programming. My second graduated 8th in his class and is a trombone player about to graduate college with several degrees, the major being biology. My third is top ten in his class and is a baritone and trombone player that writes symphonic music. Fourth is top ten in her high school class and plays flute, oboe, alto sax.

Art was very important to one and two getting full rides to college and they did not major in such as there's no money in it. Three and four will likely not major in an art either but the arts they studied were and are important to their development.
 

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Arts are important. My oldest graduated second in her class and is an artist about to graduate college with several degrees, the major being computer programming. My second graduated 8th in his class and is a trombone player about to graduate college with several degrees, the major being biology. My third is top ten in his class and is a baritone and trombone player that writes symphonic music. Fourth is top ten in her high school class and plays flute, oboe, alto sax.

Art was very important to one and two getting full rides to college and they did not major in such as there's no money in it. Three and four will likely not major in an art either but the arts they studied were and are important to their development.
Exactly why it should not be added to a STEM program. Music appreciation runs deep in my family. I am distantly related to Leopold Stokowski, my mothers aunt taught piano at the college level to 50 years, my cousin had a song he composed covered by Boston.
 
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