SR9 Accuracy

[Skinnedknuckles]

I'm still relatively new to my SR9 but it does not seem to be nearly as accurate as my newly acquired (used)Kimber Pro Carry II with a 4" barrel. I'm curious what others expect/achieve as far as accuracy with their SR9's.

I'm really interested in the inherent accuracy of the gun as shot from a rest at reasonable distances, say 25' and 50'. I really don't expect the SR9 to shoot 1" groups at 25 yards, but I don't know what I should expect. Experience with different ammo would be appreciated as well.

Also, are there any tweaks that might improve the accuracy of the gun, either gunsmithing or reloading?

Thanks.

 

[wingnuut]

My SR9 is more accurate than my 1911 S&W pro9mm , i am amazed at how accurate the SR9 is!

 

[recoil]

My SR9 is very accurate! fairly rapid fire I can put 10 shots in a 5" circle at 25 feet

 

[bada61265]

had a sa 1911 with some custom work would keep putting big holes right next to each other on paper all day long. this isnt the sr9 but its probubly mostly the trigger that makes the biggest difference. i had the ghost trigger mod on my sr9 and it was very smooth and had a much better break with minimal overtravel. was almost as good as a stock xdm trigger. not quite, but the kimber has that nice 1911 trigger than has microscopic take up and absolutely no travel past break..it makes a difference. the ghost is imo a good mod and worked well in my sr9 and should improve accuracy some. i had no reliability issues with mine and several hundred rounds of factory ammo. it was very accurate also.

 

[pjvrefugee]

all three calibers in the SR series are very accurate. I shoot them off hand at various distances with good results. when I do my job, they do theirs. as good as any and better than most.

 

[Conn AK]

Trigger, how a gun fits your hands, properly aligned sights are all factors. The SR9 is the best all-around pistol I've ever owned. The 39 series of S&W 9mms (M639 is a Tack driver) I've owned I shoot more accurately than my SR9. But that's probably me. I grew up shooting single-stack, steel pistols with better (for me) triggers. One thing is clear to me, my SR9 is more accurate than my SR45 for me. There is a slight difference in the feel of the 45 trigger that makes anticipation of ignition less predictable than the SR9. I've shot a friends SR9c with an excellent trigger. All things considered, for the price of the Ruger SR series a gun-buyer can't go wrong. I paid less for my SR45 three months ago than I did for my S&W 639 25 years ago. The most accurate handgun (for me) I've ever shot is a friends 1911 Colt built in the early '60s. The SR is more than accurate enough to get the job done.

 

[revhigh]

All this pseudo feel good talk about accuracy, and not one specific measurement, not one groupsize, not one distance ..... except a rapid fire mention of a 5 inch group at 25 feet.

The word ....'Accuracy'.... or 'accurate' .... means absolutely nothing without specifics ....

If you can't cite specifics .... or post pics .... you're just making noise at the range.

This is almost as funny as the dreaded .... 'if I do my part' statement when talking about groupsize. All thatgenerally means is that you had ONE good group, which you probably reported, and the rest you 'didnt do your part' .... but the gun was very accurate anyway .... LOL :roll:

How do you know the good group wasn't a fluke (accident) and all the other groups were the best the gun can really do. Maybe your 'good group' was a lucky combination of 'flyers' ......

If you just want to publicly reaffirm your choice of a given gun .... this is the kind of thread to do it in ....

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[revhigh]

I'm still relatively new to my SR9 but it does not seem to be nearly as accurate as my newly acquired (used)Kimber Pro Carry II with a 4" barrel. I'm curious what others expect/achieve as far as accuracy with their SR9's.

I really don't expect the SR9 to shoot 1" groups at 25 yards

That's most likely because it ISN'T as accurate as a tuned 1911.

Your 1911 can probably do 2-2.5 inches at 25 yards .... the SR9 is probably a 4 inch gun on its best day. Both from a rest.

If you want a 9MM as accurate as a tuned 1911 ... you pretty much have 2 choices .... CZ and Sig.

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[Skinnedknuckles]

I agree that the trigger is probably the biggest difference but I've seen differences with ammo as well. This post (http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/reloads/82624-9-mm-bullet-shapes.html) has some pictures of targets I shot while developing some reloads.

Shooting off a rest at 25 feet, I got the best accuracy from Federal 124 gr Nyclad HP and Remington "Wal Mart" 115 gr JHP - groups about 1".

Next best was Win/Fed/S&B 115 gr FMJ - all shot about 1-1/2"

My best reloads were just a bit over 1-1/2", including some with the Berry's PHP. The worst was the Berry's 124 gr PHP over 4.6 gr HP-38. 5 shot groups about 3" and a 10-shot magazine covered a 6" circle. The same bullet with a little less HP-38 was better, as it was with Silhouette.

I found my gun did not like the shorter COAL. I reloaded a box of the PHP bullets with 4.3 gr of HP-38 and seated the bullet to 1.135" COAL. A group of 10 rounds at 25' using a rest measured about 1.35" (without the slight outlier it was 1.1"). I guess at 25 yards, the results would be more than triple these numbers because of my aging eyesight.

I cannot approach these results off hand, and I believe that is where the trigger characteristics really come into play.

 

[revhigh]

I agree that the trigger is probably the biggest difference but I've seen differences with ammo as well. This post (http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/reloads/82624-9-mm-bullet-shapes.html) has some pictures of targets I shot while developing some reloads.

Shooting off a rest at 25 feet, I got the best accuracy from Federal 124 gr Nyclad HP and Remington "Wal Mart" 115 gr JHP - groups about 1".

Next best was Win/Fed/S&B 115 gr FMJ - all shot about 1-1/2"

My best reloads were just a bit over 1-1/2", including some with the Berry's PHP. The worst was the Berry's 124 gr PHP over 4.6 gr HP-38. 5 shot groups about 3" and a 10-shot magazine covered a 6" circle. The same bullet with a little less HP-38 was better, as it was with Silhouette.

I found my gun did not like the shorter COAL. I reloaded a box of the PHP bullets with 4.3 gr of HP-38 and seated the bullet to 1.135" COAL. A group of 10 rounds at 25' using a rest measured about 1.35" (without the slight outlier it was 1.1"). I guess at 25 yards, the results would be more than triple these numbers because of my aging eyesight.

I cannot approach these results off hand, and I believe that is where the trigger characteristics really come into play.

You REALLY should try some Power Pistol for 9mm. It will give you considerably better results. That is ... If your gun is capable of better groups.

I believe my pet 9mm load is 6.0 grains of PP under a 125 grain mastercast hard cast RN.

Absolutely spectacular results ... Best 9mm load I've ever seen.

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[revhigh]

Your difference in accuracy is a shootability issue...

The 1911 platform is probably the best ergonomic package that has ever been assembled...and that trigger is absolutely the best trigger ever made.

Correct on all counts ... And it fires the most inherently accurate caliber of all semi calibers.

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[Rei40c]

Its a cost issue as well. Good 1911's are around 900-1200 bucks, or more even depending how far you go with it. I gotta point out though. 7 or 8+1 vrs 16 or 15+1. Hey just sayin.

 

[revhigh]

Its a cost issue as well. Good 1911's are around 900-1200 bucks, or more even depending how far you go with it. I gotta point out though. 7 or 8+1 vrs 16 or 15+1. Hey just sayin.

I disagree with the above ... I maintain that it's easy to find a really good 1911 in the 500-600 range. Certainly great ones in the $900-1000 range. The RIA's are 'good' 1911's at around $400.

People are of the mistaken opinion that 1911's have to cost $1000 to be a decent gun, and also that they need work right out of the box. Nothing could be further from the truth.

IMO ... The boutique 1911's are an incredible waste of money.

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[Skinnedknuckles]

Its a cost issue as well. Good 1911's are around 900-1200 bucks, or more even depending how far you go with it. I gotta point out though. 7 or 8+1 vrs 16 or 15+1. Hey just sayin.

I was lucky and got a great deal on my used Kimber (and 1300 round of ammo!). Almost as good as the deal on my used SR9. Since I live in CT, the magazine size advantage just got reduced (now 8+1 vs 10+1).

 

[Rei40c]

Its a cost issue as well. Good 1911's are around 900-1200 bucks, or more even depending how far you go with it. I gotta point out though. 7 or 8+1 vrs 16 or 15+1. Hey just sayin.

I disagree with the above ... I maintain that it's easy to find a really good 1911 in the 500-600 range. Certainly great ones in the $900-1000 range. The RIA's are 'good' 1911's at around $400.

People are of the mistaken opinion that 1911's have to cost $1000 to be a decent gun, and also that they need work right out of the box. Nothing could be further from the truth.

IMO ... The boutique 1911's are an incredible waste of money.

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You guys must have gun stores selling these for over 150 bucks less then what I have here. The only 1911 you can get for $400 here are the 1911's in .22lr. I saw the remington you where talking about once a while back, it was much cheaper but still they where asking 600 bucks for it here. They sold out quick and I haven't seen one in over 6 months.

 

[Rei40c]

Its a cost issue as well. Good 1911's are around 900-1200 bucks, or more even depending how far you go with it. I gotta point out though. 7 or 8+1 vrs 16 or 15+1. Hey just sayin.

I was lucky and got a great deal on my used Kimber (and 1300 round of ammo!). Almost as good as the deal on my used SR9. Since I live in CT, the magazine size advantage just got reduced (now 8+1 vs 10+1).

The CT mag restrictions are so absurd. Yeah if I had to deal with that I'd look more seriously at a 1911 for carry. Heck at that rate why not just carry a revolver, that's probably where its heading anyway.

 

[Skinnedknuckles]

The CT mag restrictions are so absurd. Yeah if I had to deal with that I'd look more seriously at a 1911 for carry. Heck at that rate why not just carry a revolver, that's probably where its heading anyway.

You may just be right. My Taurus Model 6 carries 7 rounds of .357 Magnum but is a lot thicker than the Kimber or Ruger. Added to my own girth it's a bit hard to cover well.

 

[revhigh]

Its a cost issue as well. Good 1911's are around 900-1200 bucks, or more even depending how far you go with it. I gotta point out though. 7 or 8+1 vrs 16 or 15+1. Hey just sayin.

I disagree with the above ... I maintain that it's easy to find a really good 1911 in the 500-600 range. Certainly great ones in the $900-1000 range. The RIA's are 'good' 1911's at around $400.

People are of the mistaken opinion that 1911's have to cost $1000 to be a decent gun, and also that they need work right out of the box. Nothing could be further from the truth.

IMO ... The boutique 1911's are an incredible waste of money.

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You guys must have gun stores selling these for over 150 bucks less then what I have here. The only 1911 you can get for $400 here are the 1911's in .22lr. I saw the remington you where talking about once a while back, it was much cheaper but still they where asking 600 bucks for it here. They sold out quick and I haven't seen one in over 6 months.

Not sure where you're from because you don't list it in your profile, but here in PA Springfield GI's are about $525-550, Milspecs are about $600, Remington's are about $600, RIAs are $400-425, Gold Cups are right at $1000, Range Officers are about $825-850 if you can find them.

At least these were prices when I last looked, which was a while ago. I don't buy in periods of stupid demand like this, because the prices people are paying do not match the value of the guns. There's no gun worth $150-200 more today than it cost a year ago.

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[Trucker]

"There's no gun worth $150-200 more today than it cost a year ago."

A gun offered for sale, is like anything else. It's worth as much as the un-coerced buyer is willing to pay for it at the time and place of sale and/or as little as the un-coerced seller is willing to take for it at the time and place of sale. No more. No less.

 

[revhigh]

"There's no gun worth $150-200 more today than it cost a year ago."

A gun offered for sale, is like anything else. It's worth as much as the un-coerced buyer is willing to pay for it at the time and place of sale and/or as little as the un-coerced seller is willing to take for it at the time and place of sale. No more. No less.

Which is EXACTLY why I don't buy guns in periods of stupid demand, because the gun isn't any better today than it was a year ago. It's just FAR more expensive.

Calm down, have patience, and this insanity too will pass. If you want to buy in times of peak demand ... go right ahead. The gun hasn't changed ... the materials haven't changed ... labor hasn't changed .... yet the price has gone up 50-100% in some cases.


Keep 'em .... I have more guns than I need anyway.